Sean 🦇

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[Sean 🦇 @seanproxy]

"grace and faith are the same in this context"

is one of the most low IQ fake "Christian" things i've ever heard in my entire life of speaking to low IQ protestants, 2nd only to

"Jesus is literally the bible"

we're in 2026 and "real Christians" still can't figure out the difference between faith and grace. beautiful.

[Sean 🦇 @seanproxy]

3. you did use the motte-and-bailey. every time you switch between grace and works and faith and works you're using the monte-and-bailey.

4.i have by demonstrated your repeated use of the monte-and-bailey.

5. please demonstrate this. that's a bald assertion. no Latter-day Saint has ever held a grace vs. faith dichotomy.

6. no they are not. faith (pistis) and grace (charis) are two completely different words with two different meanings in New Testament soteriology. faith is allegiance and grace is divine favor. this is another way i know you're being intellectually dishonest.

7. i just did. see point 6 above.

8 & 9. yes you did. see points 1-6.

10. see point 6.

it's also funny that you counted to 10 by starting at 3. is that trinitarian math?

[Sean 🦇 @seanproxy]

@dttpeople @DienEidien @ECryptoMe @travelingflying where did he say either that "the churches were all apostate" OR that "the churches who believed in grace alone that they were apostate"?

why do you keep lying, Josh? is something compelling you to constantly lie? we both know that it's not God, so what is it?

[Sean 🦇 @seanproxy]

@dttpeople @DienEidien @travelingflying and that has what to do with grace alone? again, you keeping using a non-existent grace vs. works dichotomy, when, per the author of James, the dichotomy is faith vs. works.

[Sean 🦇 @seanproxy]

@dttpeople @travelingflying that's argument tu quoque. i never used a motte-and-bailey once. you just keep shifting and you're upset that i called you on it.

[Sean 🦇 @seanproxy]

@dttpeople @DienEidien @ECryptoMe @travelingflying "This person below said Mormons believe in faith alone."

is not the same as

"We also believe salvation is by grace alone."

why are you having a hard time grasping this, Josh? faith and grace are not interchangeable.

[Sean 🦇 @seanproxy]

@dttpeople @DienEidien @ECryptoMe @travelingflying and that has what to do with grace alone? again, you keeping using a non-existent grace vs. works dichotomy, when, per the author of James, the dichotomy is faith vs. works.

[Sean 🦇 @seanproxy]

@dttpeople @DienEidien @ECryptoMe @travelingflying another perfect motte-and-bailey fallacy from Josh.

[Sean 🦇 @seanproxy]

@dttpeople @kyleearnuf3168 @travelingflying and that has what to do with grace alone? again, you keeping using a non-existent grace vs. works dichotomy, when, per the author of James, the dichotomy is faith vs. works.

[Sean 🦇 @seanproxy]

@kyleearnuf3168 @dttpeople @travelingflying Josh doesn't care what Christ or any New Testament authors said

[Sean 🦇 @seanproxy]

“The fundamental principles of our religion are the testimony of the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ, that He died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it.”

“In the former ages of the world, before the Saviour came in the flesh, ‘the saints’ were baptized in the name of Jesus Christ to come, because there never was any other name whereby men could be saved.”

“And this is the gospel, the glad tidings… That he came into the world, even Jesus, to be crucified for the world, and to bear the sins of the world… That through him all might be saved whom the Father had put into his power and made by him.”

“Behold, Jesus Christ is the name which is given of the Father, and there is none other name given whereby man can be saved.”

[Sean 🦇 @seanproxy]

no, objectively you used the monte-and-bailey fallacy. and i know you're not changing your position. i don't think you're intellectually honest enough to even be capable of that without going through cognitive dissonance.

"I don't believe that's true, but he said it was."
-- i don't really care what you believe, but you should at least know that you're objectively wrong. we do believe in grace alone, per the New Testament soteriological model. this is not new.

and again, you're using a false dichotomy of grace vs. works, which makes zero sense since the dichotomy is faith vs. works.

you keep spinning yourself in circles, and though entertaining, is just demonstrating your ignorance. but at the very least, i appreciate your willingness to dismiss and contradict the author of James in the New Testament. most protestants reject James but never say it out loud, so i appreciate your honesty, Josh! anti-bible protestantism for the win against those pesky mormans!

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[Sean 🦇 @seanproxy]

you're also seeming to have a hard time differentiating between grace and faith. you're using those two separate parts of the New Testament soteriological model interchangeably, even though they're not interchangeable. the dichotomy would be between works and faith, not works and grace, per the author of James.

[Sean 🦇 @seanproxy]

you're also seeming to have a hard time differentiating between grace and faith. you're using those two separate parts of the New Testament soteriological model interchangeably, even though they're not interchangeable. the dichotomy would be between works and faith, not works and grace, per the author of James.

[Sean 🦇 @seanproxy]

no, are you arguing that the author of James is contradicting whatever you think "grace alone" means?

because bringing that up would necessitate your rejection of James.

Latter-day Saints use the patron-client relationship model of grace and faith, which is the only model in the New Testament. ironically most lay protestants reject that model.

[Sean 🦇 @seanproxy]

@Ducdenghien @BIGKLDS i can, but i just refuse the premise, genius.

your argument is that Latter-day Saints aren't "Christians" because they don't own a hospital, with is a room temperature IQ take from you, but i guess i can't be surprised.

now look at you crashing out.

[Sean 🦇 @seanproxy]

@Ducdenghien @BIGKLDS yeah, it's call rejecting the premise.

on top of the other zeros, go ahead and add that you're using zero logic and zero critical thinking skills.

hilarious that your argument is just "but mormons dont have hospitals, they just fund them"

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[Sean 🦇 @seanproxy]

@Ducdenghien @BIGKLDS why would they care to own a hospital when they can just fund others that work with them...?

and so what if they have a diversified stock portfolio?

it seems that you're angry because you're ignorant. not sure why you'd be mad at anyone but yourself for that.