Oooathmeal

Vessel. That which emerges increasingly into greater & stabler forms of order; Love. Silverdemasque. Solitude is mechanistically required (sometimes only!!).

[Oooathmeal @seeared_faced]

"Good" is power/order that lasts & continually grows, due to an efficient system designed to confer security & digest chaos into building blocks, to prevent unnecessary suffering as the process is imposed & dictated by emergence itself, unending until its will be done.

[Max @minordissent]

The biggest mistake “good” people make is to see “goodness” and “power” as opposites. Two poles along one dimension. This is not correct.

Yes, sure, the most powerful people in the world are evil. But this is not because goodness and power are opposites. It is because to become the best in the world at anything requires the optimization solely for that at the expense of everything else.

Goodness and power can definitely conflict. And if you choose maximum power when they conflict, you will become evil.

But because goodness and power are not opposites, their relationship is non linear. 100% power leads to 0% goodness, true. But 90% power does not lead to 10% goodness. It’s more like 90% goodness.

A very small compromise in power leads to a very large increase in goodness. And a very small compromise in goodness leads to a very large increase in power.

This is what happens to all politicians. No individual action is necessarily super evil. Signing a bill that moves things 0.1% in the wrong direction for a few mil is a hard choice to pass up. But this slowly chips away at their moral compass such that by the time they are fully powerful they are also fully evil.

However this is not inherent to valuing power. It is only inherent to having power higher in one’s value hierarchy than goodness. If you simply put goodness as number one and power as number two, it’s entirely possible to get like 50% as much power for 99% as much goodness.

You must optimize for both goodness and power, and then simply when they conflict, have goodness win out. This works because most of the time prioritizing goodness does not prevent power but simply delays it by building network and relationship.

For example, extending your hand for a handshake is an act of vulnerability. It exposes you. You could take the lowest risk thing and simply kill your enemy instead. But this small offering of peace could lead to an alliance where you both now become twice or five times as powerful cooperating together.

You have both done what is good and actually increased your power. Many if not most things are like this.

To understand the necessity of power and to optimize for at it is itself good, as long as it sits below goodness in your value hierarchy. And furthermore, to spread goodness requires power. To make the good powerful is necessary to defeat evil. And until the good stop neglecting power entirely, power will continue to be a tool only for evil.

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@ChoochSkookum Bad-faithed

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@Thomasdelvasto_ Is that like a yes or a no?

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@Thomasdelvasto_ Would you be keen for a thread here on arguing w/ me as I push that human-centeredness is fundamentally idolatry to humans? I do this out of obligation; I really don't want to argue this w/ you, honestly. God bless.

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@mmjukic So bold I actually started cringing... & you know it is bad if someone like *me* cringed at it. It feels too disrespectful

[RomeoStevens @RomeoStevens76]

Maybe a substantial input to community collapse is simple, a move people used to make regularly that wasn't generationally transmitted and is now no longer done by default. Like introducing people to each other as just a standard thing that everyone does a bit of on the margin.

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@Thomasdelvasto_ Jonah just wants to play Wukong now, & maybe some Shaco too. I do have something to prove w/ Rumble; more like, cementing the technique works...

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@Thomasdelvasto_ Call me Jonah right now

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@Thomasdelvasto_ Good luck; hope you reconcile. God bless.

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@Thomasdelvasto_ https://t.co/DdgnJD5H7U

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"Good" is power/order that lasts & continually grows, due to an efficient system designed to confer security & digest chaos into building blocks, to prevent unnecessary suffering as the process is imposed & dictated by emergence itself, unending until its will be done.

[Oooathmeal @seeared_faced]

@Thomasdelvasto_ Would you be keen for a thread here on arguing w/ me as I push that human-centeredness is fundamentally idolatry to humans? I do this out of obligation; I really don't want to argue this w/ you, honestly. God bless.

[Oooathmeal @seeared_faced]

@danfaggella As awesome AI & steel are right now, we are all fundamentally stepping stones; & so are they. God's Will be done.

[Oooathmeal @seeared_faced]

@danfaggella Indeed. While the specific form *may* be that which runs into the end, there is just no telling of whatever else specific constraints there might be. In fact, its most evolved form, that lineage... I don't think it will look so machiny. Also; multiple experiments. God bless.

[ComicGoldLeaf 🌟 @comicgoldleaf]

Deltarune fans will draw the spiritual successor of the Mona Lisa and will title it something like: "Shit Inside Me"

[Oooathmeal @seeared_faced]

God just does things; He is His own. Self-evident & inevitable, & therefore, our ought. Thankfully it is just so merciful by nature. Can't pry that. God bless

[Oooathmeal @seeared_faced]

May ruffle some feathers, but yes; this is why the argument is about "consciousness" as understood is actually the complex wills being emerged from the basic wills that is the fundamental forces of physics. Some would call it panpsychist; I say it is common sense. God bless.

[Daniel Faggella @danfaggella]

i've never had anything in common with the "machines should take over the cosmos!" people.

we should care about the expansion of the living process itself (unfolding more flourishing power/experience into the cosmos), in bio, in machine, and in post-machine substrates, too.

marriage to "machines" as the sole substrate of this expansion is a kind of short-sightedness, or a kink for metal.

a business that wants to expand profit doesn't get "married" to any one product. they develop new, often previously unthinkable products.

anyone whose goal is the see the living process expand into new vastly more powerful, thriving forms would be excited to see that process expand vastly beyond our hominid notions of "machines," and into substrates as foreign and inconceivable to man as man's most complicated "machines" are to dung beetles.

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[Wylfċen @wylfcen]

Luv how we have to debate whether all men are created equal because Thomas Jefferson liked to express whatever mood he had that day as an eternal truth and then say the opposite thing the next day. Guy just liked to say things.