Dan | APFinder.co.uk | Semh.co.uk

Edu, ADHD, Build tools to support edu staff.

my own.

SEMH, AP, Behav, Relational / TI approaches&learning

[Dan | APFinder.co.uk | Semh.co.uk @Semhlead]

Back here in a less involved way because I missed a lot of people.

[Dan | APFinder.co.uk | Semh.co.uk @Semhlead]

@GMFinX Congrats on grabbing a GF meal deal that wasn't completely terrible!

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@oldandrewuk @AlisonWright14 @vicgoddard Great to be curious!

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@AP_Teaching I like your definition. I'd add it's a skill you develop through opportunity to be in those spaces you describe and to make mistakes and learn how to process and recover from them.

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@oldandrewuk @vicgoddard Interesting. Maybe that's what's meant. I'm sure that the complaint isn't "they make them obey the rules too much".

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@oldandrewuk @vicgoddard So yes, get rid of the rules....but that won't happen because they serve a purpose for some organisations.

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@oldandrewuk @vicgoddard Yes, but that's not the suggestion. I was explaining that this was my understanding of what is meant by behaviour compliance. Forced complying with such rules being non inclusive.

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@oldandrewuk @vicgoddard An organisation that makes it rules unnecessarily difficult to follow for those with additional needs, compliance becomes a non inclusive filter.

The rules are the problem.

I know you understand this.

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@oldandrewuk @vicgoddard Not sure we are talking about the same thing. The school won't change the rule they put in, because they thought it was ok to start with. The rules won't get changed. No one is talking about not complying with rules.

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@oldandrewuk @vicgoddard I'm not sure what that first sentence is saying, sorry.

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@oldandrewuk @vicgoddard It's the point that not all rules are good rules but all must be complied with to access the school. That makes them potentially a tool for filtering.

Schools shouldn't be filtering in this way. They should be serving their community, not selecting from it.

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@oldandrewuk @vicgoddard Compliance in general. But taking your point more specifically, if you had to comply with a school rule that said you had to hop every third step, would that be a good thing?

This is the opposite extreme of "these specific rules or kids will be running wild".

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@oldandrewuk @vicgoddard Compliance in behaviour being a good thing depends what you are being asked to comply with. History tells us that.

There is nothing inclusive about kids running wild, and no one here has tried to make that point.

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@oldandrewuk @vicgoddard Do you really not understand or would it be easier to make a counter argument?

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So to be judged ‘exceptional’ at inclusion you can select your intake. Who knew? That gives carte blanche to all ‘schools down the road’ that behave despicably and select by having an ‘uninclusive’ reputation and behaviour compliance

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@warwickmansell Possibly the worse part of all of this, is the amount of this that goes on where the young person is sent to another school for it, completely unlawfully.

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The NHS is judged not just on those they successfully treat, but also the ones whose needs are not yet met via their waiting lists.

Worth considering when we look at schools and exam results.

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@adamboxer1 Makes me think of concept cars Vs actual cars.

I didn't agree with @tombennett71 analogy re Usain Bolt. Equating Michaela in the context of 100m ignores the fact there are different types of races and people win them based on different aims. It's not perfection over all.

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@ChrisHillidge @adamboxer1 It's just worrying that this profile building, that is seen in many areas of education, can make the school experience of young people the product that is being sold. That could be positive, but algorithms on here push everyone to be more and more extreme to stay relevant.

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@ChrisHillidge @adamboxer1 There's a market for saying certain things. There's a well used pattern too, cycles of extreme posting to generate interaction and then universally agreeable reposting of things like "fathers and their..." videos. Interaction farming, profile building, common online.

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@michaelgove @vicgoddard Well done for uniting the profession about how out of order your comment is.