@Babygravy9 Vatican 1 says there will be valid popes until the end of the world. This sede position is a system level defeater for the papism that means Orthodoxy is the only logical conclusion.
@smith_john56738@tradwife29 Another idiot who doesn’t understand the wake up call at hand. Rome has errored, it’s contradicted, it has defected, and therefore it’s not the true Church. The Orthodox Church is the one true church, and for SSPX this is a wake up call to see that.
Do you not understand how this works in Orthodoxy? The Greek Patriarch is no concern of mine because there are procedural and hierarchical structures in place to deal with heresy. Furthermore I’m a layman and obedient and trusting of the hierarchy above me. Keyword you used is alleged. If he’s to error and commit heresy the governing bodies will deal with it accordingly. You’re only proving our point more by showing the elasticity and impenetrableness of the decentralized system the Orthodox Church has.
@CLoftson85537@ConvincedO@strivetobekind@tradwife29 Agreed, nobody should default to Orthodoxy and be lazy in their inquiry and catechesis. Do the research and steel man the position against all systematic defeaters. After months of rigorous learning and visiting your local Orthodox parish, make a decision.
Vatican II is the doctrine SSPX rejected and excommunicated for, there is no path further for them under the Pope without accepting and submitting to Vatican II being a salvation binding council along with its documents.
They can either submit to something they don’t believe, become Protestant, or reexamine Papal supremacy from the Orthodox perspective.
The Orthodox Patriarchs don’t fracture anything, their decentralized architecture builds a more robust and impenetrable body of the Church. If one Jurisdiction was to be excommunicated, the laity don’t have to make any doctrinal or dogmatic concessions to rejoin at a different jurisdiction like SSPX do with Vatican II.
The Roman Catholic Laity on X are acting like the left did during Covid about this excommunication.
���Haha! Lost your parish, salvation, peace of mind and your family is shaken up?! Should’ve submitted to Rome!”
Sounds exactly like
“Haha! Lost your career, lively hood, peace of mind and your family is shaken up?! Should’ve followed the jab mandates!”
Meanwhile the politicians had LGBTQ infiltrating the White House positions and the Vatican is hosting and celebrating their pride. The status quo positions here are literally gay and retarded.
Wake up!
@strivetobekind@tradwife29 Another idiot missing the point. It’s no longer about holding on to the Latin Mass or x y z Catholic traditions, it’s about recognizing the entirety of the Roman Catholic Church has systematic defeaters and is not the One True Church post 1054.
@AugustineInUSA@tradwife29 One event? You’re missing the point. Rome has excommunicated its own Tradcats, it’s not about submitting to Rome and still getting your own SSPX desires. It’s that the Papal chair should be examined further from an Orthodox perspective, it’s a wake up call.