@LadyMistyMoo@JohnBecher7@Benspur@ethanbaxxyy @HelbelC33528285 @sean29772912 The plan was always to have a deterrent as such that it would not need to be implemented.
The argument against is not one of the intended implementation - but of the deterrent being equal to the risk or threat taken/experienced by people wishing to migrate to the UK.
@LadyMistyMoo@JohnBecher7@Benspur@ethanbaxxyy @HelbelC33528285 @sean29772912 Indeed - important to note that the challenge came from the uk judiciary. So in this case it was a constitutional issue - which is rather interesting in itself.
Flawed as it was - from a low level perspective in that it could be blocked by the judiciary.
@Djexta @HelbelC33528285 I share your view, although maybe not vernacular. This govt has 1 term written all over it. It did a year ago.
People will be better supported, in a general sense, but will also have less money and therefore decision making ability and opportunity.
Rather Orwellian sadly.
@rcutler68 @HelbelC33528285 @UKLabour Good point - mostly.
I think there a serious argument to consider.
The will to ‘do’ unfortunately costs money. The ‘support’ costs promises - which cost money.
It really no different to the conservatives. Other than less people believe/trust the conservatives.
@AllanDodds14 @HelbelC33528285 ? Not sure it barbaric. While it may not be ‘right’ - consider the way hospitality venues are rated with scores on the doors.
Is that really any different? (Pls don’t say a 3 star venue will kill you)
@Sacha_Lord The message delivery is below expectation. The financial impact overall does not appear to have considered, at least not presented.
Making smoking socially unacceptable has been a long term goal - not to protect people, but to balance the impact of cost on the country.
@Sacha_Lord There is a clear social change happening and playing out. In the bigger picture.
And while headwinds are present, and taxation could and should be less - all factors need long term consideration.
What I do not agree with is how this is presented by the government.
@Sacha_Lord I don’t agree with the reasoning behind ‘children present’. While I understand the sentiment, but the logic I feel is flawed.
I also don’t believe that this would be the end of pubs. The reason for decline is not as simple as presented in most cases.