@literalbanana@lu_sichu the sense I got is that summer / masters / early phd students were pushed pretty hard towards psychometric outcomes, but postdocs / late phds had more leeway. physiological experiments just require a lot more work. people don't want to get pricked etc.
@literalbanana@lu_sichu even in the lab I guinea pigged for they seemed to do at least a bit of more real feeling research. stuff like "does ketone supplementation impact glucose levels". you could still do something nefarious there but it seems harder.
everyone would get a little sheepish about it but that was about it. I could never change anyones behaviour and I still helped my sister make nice ggplots or whatever and congratulated her on getting published because I'm a nice brother.
my sister ended up doing some summer research work at a lab like this. they were nominally in the kinesiology department, but the PI had discovered that, following a manipulation, it was much easier to get a significant result if the "task" was a battery of psychometric tests.
this was ~2022, post replication crisis. you'd talk to the grad students in these labs and they all knew, on some level, that they were doing something "wrong". I would tell themโand my sisterโ "you are doing a bad thing. I think this is destroying the world".
@BarneyFlames@punished_daniel theres a big persian diaspora in the toronto suburbs, knew some of them growing up. dont know if they have a specific enclave tho, seemed more spread out than other groups. neighbourhood was mostly russian-jewish and chinese.
@tolstoybb I was in the north cascades over the summer and I stopped at a coffee shack that randomly carried a bunch of those types of magazines but targeted specifically at gold prospecting, skeezy ads and all. I think they're still publishingโ looked pretty recent. real nostalgia hit.
@tolstoybb someone gave me a bunch of old popular mechanics magazines as a kid and all the ads were for incredibly greasy companies selling "scientifically validated pheromones", gold and silver in preparation of the economic collapse, and yeah, lots of "learn x for easy money".
@xuanalogue For phd apps I think there's something morally more suspicious about using LLMs in a way that might discourage their use by good actors; jobs apps are more transactional in a sense, and I kinda expected to get similar looking AI spam from a bunch of applicants. didn't' happen!
@xuanalogue We have a takehome at work where applicants are asked to fix inference for a pretty crudely broken Stan model. Haven't hired for around 6mo, but for the 1.5yrs before then it seemed like most applicants didn't even think about tossing it into an LLM, which was interesting.
@nominalthoughts every time i see a tweet like this i click through and it has 20 trillion likes. there isnt even any intentional ragebait or culture war slop here. why does it have so many likes. maybe the only thing a hit tweet needs is to be wrong.