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@BharadiaSamarth technically punjab.... but culturally hills

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@BharadiaSamarth paharis - pathanias, jamwals/dogras

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@SanghaSengh very likely 😀

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@iamdjgoddess Look up what puranics thought of Punjab - discourse between Shalya and Karna 😄

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@iamdjgoddess When is this dated to?
Was under the impression intellectual discourse away from rudimentary gods started around 600 bc.

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@ThethPanjabi Brings up an interesting point - should each person get one equal vote or should the rich (land owners/urban businessmen) vote count more? 😄

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@ThethPanjabi From a pure demographic perspective - this is correct.
From a land ownership perspective - this is flawed as others have pointed out.
However take a look at the arable land history of united punjab..it was about 1/4 of what it is not in 1800….

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@ThethPanjabi Went from 5million acres to 10 after canal colonies and ~ 20 now..
Farm land wise - What we lost was a byproduct of canal colonies that were largely allotted to Sikhs

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@ThethPanjabi page 4 - Of the Yogis reported in the Panjab, 38,137 were Musalmans. (Panjab 91,937 total)......very interesting...

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@ThethPanjabi Much easier to donate/visit a baba than live with morals (in hukam) 😄

They have always been deeply rooted in Punjab - Sultanis, Sufi pirs etc.

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@ParamjeetBerwal jatt/rajput chaurdrys held political power at a local level - Mitha Dhaliwal (head of dina-kangar whose descendents helped guru gobind) was famously propositioned by Akbar for this daughter..

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@ParamjeetBerwal this is not a valid comparison - sikh gurus has very little political power during their time - population of sikhs was anywhere from 10-25k.. less than .025% of punjab...why would mughal's even proposition the guru's?

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@ThethPanjabi 100% - most sikhs have no idea what sikhism is - outside of 5 ks or repeating gurbani that they don't understand.
its all rituals - the exact thing guru nanak tried to dismantle.
ask anyone about hemkunt - while they repeat that pilgrimages are meaningless daily in japji :)

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@ThethPanjabi this is true - but its also shocking that some our earliest sources of history are outsiders (chach nama, al-biruni, chinese monks) outside of panini...surprising that we don't have any local surviving documents outside of religious texts.

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@ThethPanjabi @Fasihrayeen Rise of fundamentalism in 79…..Pakistan coup, Iran shah overthrown, takeover of Mecca by radicals….seperate events - but led to Wahhabism ideology taking over

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@ChanniKalakme good observation - most converts to islam did so due to sufis helping clear out new lands for the farmer classes (jats, rajputs, etc) not to get away from caste hierarchy.

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@ThethPanjabi Wonder why these were painted in gurdwaras? Sufi teaches potentially?
Must have been prior to singh sabha?

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@ThethPanjabi This is great if that’s the case…fluidity between Sufis and Nath jogis is rarely discussed these days.

Ranjha a Muslim becomes a jogi without batting an eye…puran bhagat - primarily a jogi kissa was used by Sufis allegorically

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@ThethPanjabi Majority have adopted Sikhism? Majority were Muslim 😀
Guess the first proper census came out a decade after this was written…