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God does not have a problem with you believing ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED (OSAS). A believer will not be lost for believing the error.
Just makes sure no one uses your soul as a gamble for the doctrine such that you normalize living sin in the presumption that it does not matter.
Many assuring you that a believer who renounces Christ explicitly or implicitly by making a practice of sin cannot be lost do not themselves live according to it. If they really believed it, they would use their souls as the guinea pig.
@simon_decrypt@RasineIrem But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you OBEYED FROM THE HEART THAT FORM OF DOCTRINE to which you were delivered. And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.
Romans 6:17-18 NKJV
@simon_decrypt@RasineIrem Who was he talking to? You think he was taking to people who were practicing sin or people who were no longer practicing sin?
Read the passage as a whole and stop fixating on the parts that suit your narrative.
Read what was done to be made free. Read in context. They obeyed doctrine. That's how they became free. It's in the light of this that he says they should not let sin reign. He was warning them against reverting to obeying sin after have obeyed doctrine, that this would lead to them becoming slaves of sin.
Q: What is The difference between biblical assurance and hypergrace?
A: 1 John 3:9-10 (ESV)
9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for Godโs seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.
@BarcaUnites@Relevance_U@KesienaEsiri How does you question establish the truth? Am I the standard of truth? Are you saying it is what happens to me that will determine what happens to you?
Read the passage correctly, it simply extols God's ability to keep. It does not state how that ability benefits us.
If I say you are able to keep me, it does not mean you will keep me no matter what I do.
Peter gives us the missing information. He says who are kept by the power of God THROUGH FAITH. In other words, God is able to keep us but He does not do it simply because He can. He does it through us keeping faith with him.
God was able to give Abraham a child. But had Abraham not persevered he would not have received the child.
Salvation depends on God not us. That God requires us to be faithful till the end does not make salvation dependent on us. That idea is part of the way the teachers of the false doctrine of unconditional salvation have messed up people's minds.
Did Abraham's give birth to a son depend on his own ability simply because God required him to endure?
Did the healing of the daughter of the Syrophoenician woman depend on her ability simply because Jesus did not do it immediately but stretch her faith?
Scripture says we should emulate those who through faith and patience received the promise. Note: Faith AND PATIENCE.
According to your logic, that amounts to them obtaining the promise by their own ability.
Wrong!
If you want something from me and I tell you to wait around until I am ready, your waiting is not what will give you the thing. I am still the one who will give you. You waiting is simply a condition that I placed on you.
I hope you get it now?
God bless
A particular presidential candidate recruited 5 influencers, 4,000 social media attackers, imported 4,000 techno phones in 2023 to tear this country down. Much of what you see online are influenced to paint the country black. That online mob has grown to 11,000.
China did not pull 800 million people out of poverty in 3 years. Dubai did not do it in 3 years. No nation did it in 3 years. Tinubu cannot pull 230 million Nigerians out of poverty in three years. What is he doing is putting the nation on the path to that recovery and growth.
- Mr. George
Thanks for the patient exposition. I however did not need it to know that to be holy means to be set apart.
You began well but veered off the track when you said moral conduct flows out of holiness. You made it seem like moral conduct is an outflow of something intrinsic.
For God? Yes! For us? No.
The truth is that holiness or being set apart is of two kinds. There is holiness by divine association. There is holiness by use or conduct. Each can stand on its one.
When God chooses a thing for association with himself, the thing becomes holy by this association. This kind of holiness is static. Nothing the thing can do can change it. It is purely a function of God's decision to associate with the thing.
It is in the way that a ground on which God stands, the temple built for him, and all things dedicated to him are holy.
It is also in this sense that both the nation of Israel is holy and believers are holy and hence called saints, meaning: sanctified or set apart ones.
However, when someone that God has set apart for himself is commanded by Him to be holy, the command is for the person to be set apart in living or conduct. This holiness encompasses both moral and non-moral conducts. It is dynamic.
Holiness of conduct does not flow from the first even though it follows from it. In other words, that you have been set apart by God does not mean you would be holy in living or conduct even though it automatically places the burden to do so on you.
A person can be holy by association with God and unholy in conduct or lifestyle at the same time. This how Israel can remain holy even in unholy living. It is because holiness by divine association can coexist with unholiness of living.
As a matter of fact, holiness by divine association makes unholiness of living more damnable.
A person can also set himself apart by conduct without having been set apart by divine association.
This is ememplofied in the Nazarite vow.
Now, since conduct is dynamic and exists at different levels of consecration, holiness by conduct varies accordingly.
Assuming all other things are equal, a Christian living in fornication is not as holy in conduct as the one not living in fornication. Hence one is holier than the other in holy living.
But as far as holiness by divine association is concerned, none is more associated to God than the other.
God bless.
That is what the passage actually implies. You are the one confusing holiness by divine will with holiness by conduct.
As far as God's calling is concerned, we are all holy. As far as our conducts are concerned, we are at different levels.
One truth does not void the other. Both are true.