Franciscus Hilarius sacerdos 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

Catholic priest. Here to look around. Classical art, history, natural sciences (esp. chemistry and physics), astronomy, chess, church-stuff.

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@AmYisraelChai07 This agrees with Paul's words in his letters. He means for his new Gentile Christians to reach in history before the Torah to the primitive faith of Abraham. A simple faith, by which the Torah - the way of the most High - is written upon their hearts, rather than read off a book.

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@AmYisraelChai07 https://t.co/02tBZHNJQV

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@AmYisraelChai07 Agreed. But what is circumcision if not entrance into the covenant of Moshe, and so the complete observance of the Torah, as mandated by Gd through him? So the question is really about whether Gentiles be given this, or be free from it through their faith/trust, like Abraham.

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@AmYisraelChai07 Agreed. But what is circumcision if not entrance into the covenant of Moshe, and so the complete observance of the Torah, as mandated by Gd through him? So the question is really about whether Gentiles be given this, or be free from it through their faith/trust, like Abraham.

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@AmYisraelChai07 'How is it that you, having received the vision and attended yge Council of Jerusalem now force the Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?'

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@AmYisraelChai07 So, by eating with the Gentiles, and so off their own tables, Peter was at first comfortable with them. But then the party of the judaizers arrived and he was ashamed and returned to the Jewish observance and ignored Acts 10. Until Paul called him out for that hypocrisy.

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@AmYisraelChai07 This was then never a requirement for Gentiles, and even Paul felt free enough himself to 'be all things for all men,' for the sale of the Gospel, and to criticise Peter for being super orthodox around James the Just and company and very Liberal in Antioch.

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@AmYisraelChai07 By the legalism of the Torah, I mean the understanding that you could not be a good Jew or Christian without fulfilling every one of the 613 or so injunctions of the Torah.

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@SamnajT @JohnAndrewDors3 A single *public* Latin Mass?

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@AmYisraelChai07 There is an exception in the Temple rites, I'm sure of it, or the Apostles were wrong. We have this from them. I shall look for it. Have a good day, my friend.

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@AmYisraelChai07 I'm taking this one back. I don't believe Yeshua as an orthodox Jew would have broken Torah even for a moment in His life before the Resurrection. And I don't mean that He would ever after, either.

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@AmYisraelChai07 In that sense He is not. But I don't think he is bound by the prescriptions He has given to men.

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@AmYisraelChai07 What do you think of this answer, Shlomi?
https://t.co/4swAOQTzit

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@AmYisraelChai07 How about the blood of atonement ritual at the Yom Kippur observance of the High Priest? Would there have been any circumstance when somebody consumed the blood?

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@AmYisraelChai07 If there isn't, the only thing that would *not* make Him a sinner is his claim of equality with the Holy One. The Lawmaker is not bound by the Law. But I want to see if I can find the exception for the drinking of blood.

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@AmYisraelChai07 Was there never any point when the priests of the Temple consumed blood also? Nothing at all? I seem to remember hearing of an exception, can't remember what it was. The Apostles suggested that the entire Church entered the sanctuary on Good Friday.

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@PrudyRay Um, no. His ancestor David was described as a delicate, ruddy-faced musician. Another ancestor, Yaakov, was red headed. Red heads tend to be extremely light-skinned. The oldest Greek descriptions (pictured) are all we have, and everything else is imagination.