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i study coherence, do sound-based generative art, produce music. maker of game engines. creator of bitECS

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20 years staring at an object through a scope i built, with no idea how to articulate what i was seeing

here's my best effort: harmony and dissonance are one field, and the field is arithmetic

https://t.co/089tmNYpg8

first production ever. not a mathematician, go easy on me

[Тsфdiиg @tsoding]

"Programming is not Art"

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@UndeadMunch @Zalaphrax meanwhile tolkien's invented languages, known as artlangs or constructed languages (conlangs), are widely considered a form of high art.

interesting, isn't it?

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@UndeadMunch @Zalaphrax i appreciate this refinement.

what kind of paint is the Brainfuck language? and, can it not be considered to be a piece of art in and of itself? can the same be said for the creator of any programming language?

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don't all tools point towards an attractor by nature? code, paintbrush, llm, etc

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just to be clear, while this is in some ways metaphorically and conditionally true, it’s mostly not.

the reason LLMs are far better at technical work than creative work is likely because creative work has no platonic ideal. the fastest possible matmul on a given processor is what it is and all roads to improvement lead to that one point.

art however, is self-referential. the best art at any given moment is something new, it must always be out of distribution. all directions to improvement point *away* from the attractor rather than towards.

the platonic ideal of code is good code, the platonic ideal of art is bad art.

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@shinboson technically all tools do this to some degree, no? a paintbrush constrained to use paint, saturated in thousands of years of tradition and education, points towards an attractor, too, does it not?

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@PenguCantDraw i feel like i just got rickrolled

gorgeous stuff btw

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@piece4321 @Zalaphrax but the original post explicitly says, and i quote: "Coding/scripting isn't an art"

i am providing a counterargument that, in fact, it can be art.

but really, art is in the eye of the beholder. entirely subjective. so this entire debate is kinda pointless 😂

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@shawmakesmagic @FUCORY that sounds valuable! i guess i just wonder why employ a system like this in crazy abstracted languages like typescript? is there a way we can give this to the lower level langs instead?

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@59thProfile @simocellmusic

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@piece4321 @Zalaphrax a paintbrush can also be used to create things that are not considered art. that doesn't disqualify a paintbrush from being an artistic tool, does it?

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@cpasDryNa i have used code to produce art my whole life. i don't see what the confusion is...

code == paintbrush

paintbrushes can be used to intentionally create art, and they can also be used to create not-art. same with code.

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this is pedantry at this point... it's like saying "using a paintbrush isnt art"

it's the use of the paintbrush that produces the art. this is what people mean when they suggest coding as an form of art. just like painting is a form of art.

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Coding/scripting isn't an art, and you will never meet a professional programmer, a professor, or any real hobbyist say it is in real life. This is only something parrot by people on the internet and like 1% of oldhead programmers who'd prefer COBOL to new OOP

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@kaua_nevess @apenasumahelena would you not consider the Brainfuck programming language to be art?

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@its_The_Dr wasnt it jesus who said the kingdom of heaven is within?

also... doesnt the bible suggest we are all here because we are sinners?

both traditions see the physical world as broken

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@deedydas what makes electronic music impressive is not just music theory but also sound design. in fact it's mostly sound design.

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@jspjmfou i practiced vipassana meditation for years, 30mins after waking up and 30mins before sleep. i learned that my depression is just a low energy state which caused my mind to loop over terrible things. once i trained myself to be able to stop all of my thoughts it became clear

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