@Le_Tavernicole@EvaGlitchAI Everything about this goes so hard - I appreciate the traditional gundam style here, and the bear aesthetic is so peak. Man, we need more bears! Why aren't there more bears around?
They should be discipled first, I believe. Discipleship was Paul's onus to the church for new believers. On this note - one cannot judge how sound a church is by their denomination, at least not fully. While some churches might differ in doctrine, it's the practices of individual churches that really reveal whether they follow the Word of God - and that goes for all denominations. One cannot just resolve back to "let's just find the nearest EO church because EO good." This is actually a faulty generalization fallacy and an appeal to tradition fallacy. This is evidenced when faced with the brutal truth that the wolves are everywhere, and often times the most corrupt churches are the ones that are the most structured. This is simply for the fact that corrupt clergy can take refuge and can obfuscate the most when there are ceremonial elements, a distancing from the congregation (also not Biblical), or opportunity to practice wickedness while veiled by an official station (pdfs in RCC). Just look at what the last two iteration of Vatican leadership have done - entertain trans ideology, support abortion, ignore persecution in Nigeria, ignored the Islamification of the West, ignored pedo's, hasn't taken a strong stance on Russia, China, Iran, etc. and the list goes on. Our doctrine (you and I) actually doesn't differ hardly at all, and is identical where it matters. Where we differ is the organization that supports a church. But the building or organization doesn't make the church, and to say so is not Biblical. What matters is how does it adhere to the Word of God, and what it says what an eklesia should be. I think, especially for a new believer, the most important thing is for whomever got them saved needs to build trust and mentor the new believer in Scriptures until they can discern for themselves what constitutes a good church. They should also find other folks they trust that maybe know more about the local area and which churches can be trusted and which ones can't. I hate to sound pessimistic, but after our last move (we move around a lot since I'm in the military, and I also have experience with both RC and EO chaplains), it took us 3 years to find a church in our local area that unabashedly preached the Scriptures and Jesus' atonement for sins, didn't have a cult of personality around the priest/pastor, and didn't have some weird off-shoot splinter of heresy. Maybe the EO is very very good about ensuring down trace churches in the hierarchy are perfect in their following of prescribed doctrine, but you still can't account for personalities within the church, idiosyncrasies in beliefs, and other factors. Belief in Jesus' perfect atonement once and for all sins isn't a gradient of good, better, best depending on the church to which they attend. If a person makes it to that point, while sanctification and edification are part of the Christian life and a person can fall away (seed parable), that isn't the church's sole responsibility - it's also the responsibility of spiritual mentors, family (if saved), and other trustworthy sources - and the individual's personal responsibility to stick with the faith. Ultimately the individual has to make a choice, I agree, and certain structure is nice for some. But to say there is only one church lifeboat or that yours is better is ridiculous and un-Scriptural. The lifeboat is Jesus. The Christian church broadly speaking already has enough problems contending with the world, corruption in the body, and people losing interest. Divisiveness with the body, of which we are all members, serves no one and is also un-Scriptural. If you want to bring up early church fathers, don't forget that's where ecumenism comes from (Romans 14, 1 Corinthians 12 and 13). I'm glad you've been doing Scripture readings recently - I really need these sometimes, and what you've been doing for men's health awareness month is quite impressive. Love you in the Lord. Keep up the good work. Don't let what I'm saying discourage you, and if I've caused you to stumble in any way that was not the intent, and I apologize sincerely. Praying for your continued success in reaching others for Christ. Praying always.
Hashing out one's position mentally before one ever opens their mouth is critical. Tactical pauses are allowed lol. More than that, listing out key assumptions, facts, and gaps in your information before you formulate an argument lets you know what you are missing. I've come to the conclusions I have after reading, studying, and observing the world around me quietly disintegrating. Gleaning opinions from popular figures is probably one of the worst things someone could do given today's choice of 'celebrities.' Also... using wood or bamboo on skillet - pro move.
@MariaGraceVT We shall know them by their fruits, and they gots them froo-its of the DEV-il. I swear, Europe (except for Poland) gets more cooked every time I turn around.