Mad Max

[Mad Max @TekbotzLBC]

Okay, so the FBI followed up with the restaurant owner, and as far as what's been publicly reported, nothing ultimately came from that lead. Maybe there simply wasn't enough evidence to take it any further. The owner and the server could only provide a physical description. There was no surveillance footage of the customer, no name tied to the receipt, and only the last four digits of the payment card.

From there, everything else is speculation. Maybe the description didn't ultimately match. Maybe the card information didn't lead anywhere. Maybe investigators compared it against the forensic evidence they had. Maybe once they extracted the data from Tyler's and Lance Twiggs' phones, the associated GPS metadata and timeline didn't support the restaurant tip. We simply don't know.

The point is, that's a lot of maybes. What we do know is that the FBI was aware of the tip, they followed up on it, and it ultimately wasn't part of the State's probable cause case. Personally, I don't fill in the gaps with speculation. I'm open to any possibility, but whatever theory is being advanced has to be supported by evidence or hold up under at least basic scrutiny.

[Mad Max @TekbotzLBC]

@The_RealZoe @knubeltierli @schafer_von Why would you think he would do it for the camera?

[Mad Max @TekbotzLBC]

@knubeltierli @The_RealZoe @schafer_von Is it possible that to get to his destination he had to walk up the stairs?

[Mad Max @TekbotzLBC]

@knubeltierli @The_RealZoe @schafer_von https://t.co/nJFtVpGu4K

Here is a link to the UVU interactive map.

[Mad Max @TekbotzLBC]

@knubeltierli @The_RealZoe @schafer_von Whoa ,@knubeltierli and @The_RealZoe you both really went to town on this. Great work!!

[Mad Max @TekbotzLBC]

Let me ask you something. You obviously got this information from someone here on X, but did you spend even a few minutes verifying whether the claim was actually true?

Because I looked into it, and Fox News reported on this back in January. They interviewed the restaurant owner, Ralph Perkins, who said the FBI did follow up on the tip. According to him, agents interviewed him and two servers, obtained the last four digits of the payment card used for the meal, but the receipt didn't contain the customer's name and the restaurant had no surveillance camera covering the counter where the person was seated.

So what exactly do you think this proves?

To me, it sounds like you've already decided what you want to believe, and now you're interpreting every new piece of information through that lens. That's confirmation bias. A tip was reported, investigators followed up, and the available evidence apparently wasn't enough (at least based on what's been made public) to conclusively identify the diner or make it part of the State's probable cause case.

What we do know as fact is that the defense and the prosecution both have Tyler Robinson's and Lance Twiggs' phones, along with the forensic extractions and metadata associated with them. If there were evidence showing the messages couldn't have been sent when or how the prosecution alleges, you can be sure the defense will raise that issue during trial

[Mad Max @TekbotzLBC]

@schafer_von @The_RealZoe @knubeltierli Got it, I'll check it out when I get back. Thanks

[Mad Max @TekbotzLBC]

@The_RealZoe @schafer_von @knubeltierli One thing that I am interested in is what @The_RealZoe brought up, which was the difference in time between when Tyler entered the UVU parking structure and the time he was seen in the NE stairwell.

[Mad Max @TekbotzLBC]

idk, the defense raised zero issues with the location on the left side of the video's. Agent Hull also testified that it was a compilation put together by the attorneys office. It very well could be for narration purposes. The judge made a ruling on it. I think at this point, we should focus on something else and not make assumptions. This is literally why all of these conspiracy theories have spiraled out of control

[Mad Max @TekbotzLBC]

@itsthemnotus @JohnBoy6969696 @thevivafrei So our source is that someone on X claimed the waiter said the defense never contacted him? Yeah, I'll just wait and see what happens. Way too many internet sleuths spreading misinformation for me to believe anything without verification.

[Mad Max @TekbotzLBC]

Who told you the defense never contacted the Panguitch steakhouse owner or server? Do you have evidence of that, or are you just assuming because someone here on social media posted that and now you're taking it in as fact

And CLEARLY you don't understand how the legal system works.

If your theory is true (and I HIGHLY doubt that it is) then you're accusing the prosecution of knowingly presenting false evidence in open court by identifying the wrong car and the wrong person. That's an extraordinary allegation that requires extraordinary evidence.

Because if the defense exposed during cross examination that the investigator had misidentified the vehicle and person, the prosecution couldn't simply pretend that evidence never existed. The hearing is on the record. The transcripts exist. The exhibits have been marked. The investigator's testimony has been given under oath. You don't get to erase that because it became inconvenient. ALL of that could 100% be used against them during trial. It also would've HIGHLY damaged the prosecutors probable cause case by undermining the credibility of one of the key pieces of surveillance evidence.

If the defense truly had objective proof that the prosecution identified the wrong vehicle AND the wrong person, that's EXACTLY the type of issue you'd expect them to expose, not sit on it, while their client is bound over for trial in hopes of a dramatic Hollywood movie courtroom surprise months later. 😂

You're entire argument completely ignores how criminal litigation actually works.

Like I said before, social media has you lost in the sauce 🤣

[Mad Max @TekbotzLBC]

smh do you not understand what a preliminary hearing is? It's simply for the prosecution to present just enough evidence to establish probable cause.

The Dodge Challenger was part of the State's probable cause case. If the defense believed the prosecution had plainly identified the wrong vehicle, it could have challenged that through cross examination, argument, or by presenting contrary evidence if appropriate. But it didn't, because they've already seen this evidence in full and are not focusing on this part for a reason.

The Panguitch steakhouse lead, on the other hand, was NOT part of the State's presentation and since the prosecution did not present it as part of its probable cause case, the defense had no obligation to present its own affirmative case or call witnesses about an alibi at a preliminary hearing.

With that being said it is quite possible that the defense attorneys didn't bring it up because the hearing is limited to probable cause, and they may prefer to reserve affirmative evidence and witness testimony for trial.

But if the defense believed the prosecution had obviously identified the wrong vehicle, that would have directly undermined a piece of the State's evidence and there is no way they wouldn't have jumped on that.

[Mad Max @TekbotzLBC]

Man, social media really has you lost in the sauce huh? It's already been widely reported that the FBI followed up with the Panguitch steakhouse owner and the server who waited on the customer.

If this evidence holds up and can be tied to Robinson, it could potentially support the defense's alibi that he was roughly three hours south in Panguitch around 9–10 PM, around the time of the incriminating texts to Lance. But it's not like Tyler couldn't have sent those messages from that area.

Anyway, the defense is aware but this was only a preliminary hearing, where the focus is on whether prosecutors had enough probable cause to proceed to trial not to argue beyond reasonable doubt. Stronger scrutiny of timelines, card verification, witness credibility, metadata and any conflicting prosecution evidence is for the actual trial.

[Mad Max @TekbotzLBC]

Yeeeah... except Tyler Robinson and his entire defense team watched the same video evidence and never argued, "That's not Tyler's car." The only people making that claim are random social media users who have analyzed a few low resolution courtroom clips instead of the original surveillance footage investigators reviewed.

Kind of strange, isn't it? 🤔

[Mad Max @TekbotzLBC]

@The_RealZoe @knubeltierli @schafer_von How were you able to determine the timestamp from that? The text is white and too washed out to be legible

[Mad Max @TekbotzLBC]

@The_RealZoe @knubeltierli @schafer_von That's an argument that can be made at trial if the defense believes that's the case, but as of now, it didn't seem to be an issue that was raised and it's best not to make assumptions

[Mad Max @TekbotzLBC]

@knubeltierli @The_RealZoe @schafer_von Exactly, my thoughts too

[Mad Max @TekbotzLBC]

I just watched that portion of the video again and Agent Hull testified that Exhibit 12.1 was a compilation created by the Utah County Attorney's Office. @The_RealZoe I don't think this stems from the camera system itself. I think the attorney's office or whoever created the compilation added it for narration purposes and it could also be what @knubeltierli said and is just describing from where TR is coming from OR some dimwit mislabeled. Either way we won't know for sure and it doesn't look to be anything really important atm

[Mad Max @TekbotzLBC]

@wopperjrs @Sunny61120 @BlackLineBrief I think the labeling was added by whoever created the video compilation for the preliminary hearing and made a mistake but def not lying and don't know how this can be seen as being deceptive

[Mad Max @TekbotzLBC]

I believe the labels that the red arrow is pointing to were added by the investigators for the video compilation that was shown during the preliminary hearing and I think they mislabeled 'Parking - Level 1 - Stairs - NE' in the last video as 'Parking - Level 2 - Stairs - NE' but I don't think that's going to make a huge difference if this goes to trial