let's see
WHAT YOU SEE, the parallels and me adding Mary into those parallels
*invisible church = only the elect
*mary is without a doubt part of the elect
*invisible church = bride of christ
*mary without a doubt part of the bride ot christ
*invisible church = Jesus sanctified her
*Mary was sanctified by Jesus (for catholics even before she was born)
WHAT I SEE, the reversal of the new adam and the new eve from the old ones
*New Adam brought life when the old one caused deart
*New Eve said Yes to God while the old one said yes to the devil
*The Old Mary did not remain obedient to God
*The new Eve remained obedient
LETS NOW TALKED ABOUT THE PROPHECY
Gen3:15, is called the proto evagelium (first gospel), there will be an enmity between Satan and the woman and her seed. The enmity existed because the devil cannot make the seed (Jesus) commit sin, the devil made the old eve commit sin so there is no more enmity between them. but the woman there is the new eve, and because the devil cannot make the new eve commit sin, the enmity still existed between them
THE PARALLE OF EDEN AND CALVARY
at Calvary John wrote an interesting detail John 19:41, there is a garden near the cruxificion of Jesus, John could have said "there was tomb" like what the synoptics stated but he included "there was a garden", pretty strange huh? actually no, since in John we see Jesus (God) called Mary "woman", in Genesis God always call eve "woman". *Parallel, Eden Garden there's Adam, Eve and a Tree. Calvary Garden theres New Adam, New Eve and a Tree (cross).
Summary: no matter which view we take it, yours or mine, using proper EXEGESIS where we draw the information from the bible, the bible clearly points to Mary as the New Eve.
โNo one is righteous not oneโ this is a quote from Psalms 14 where God is looking at the wicked and said โno one is righteous not oneโ BUT IN THE SAME PASSAGE ITS SAYS GOD IS IN THE COMPANY OF THE RIGHTEOUS.
So paul is talking about the wicked there, not one is righteous but the NT gave names of people who are righteous like the parents of John the Baptists, they are the righteous in the company of God
Clear?
lets clear all the misinterpretion of those verses
in Romans 3:23 Paul was talking about people who COMMITTED SIN, there are people who never commited sin, Jesus, babies, mentally ill people and Mary
Rom5:13 All have sinned died. Mary didn't die, its not written in the bible, and someone as important as her nobody knew where her tomb is, we know where all the apostles were buried but not Mary
Luke 1:47, Yes Mary needed a savior, Jesus saved her before he contracted sin, that's what the immaculate conception is about
Justin Martyr said Mary is UNDEFILED
Iraneous said Mary is found OBEDIENT
@_Jake_H_B_ is Mary not part of the church in your teaching? if yes, then who in the church best represents the new eve? because the church is a mix of bad and good fishes, right.
Cool Parallel, I already said that before.
But basically, even in our church we believe Mary is also part of the body of Christ so technically you are not wrong here, Mary is also part of the bride of Christ
BUT within the members of the church, who is the one who we can say BEST TRULY REPRESENT THE NEW EVE?
Cool Parallel, I already said that before.
But basically, even in our church we believe Mary is also part of the body of Christ so technically you are not wrong here, Mary is also part of the bride of Christ
BUT within the members of the church, who is the one who we can say BEST TRULY REPRESENT THE NEW EVE?
Of course Mary never believed she is sinless, believing it to be so would make her prideful.
Look at Paul he is an apostle but he doesnโt see himself as one, thatโs humility.
So hereโs the thing, if church fathers disagree with one another, who breaks the deadlock? With catholics we know who, with Protestants they dont know who which is why you keep splitting into various denominations
Here are the verses
In eph 5 Paul is clearly talking about the church being the bride of Christ and in 2Cor11 clearly warned the faithful that they too might be led astray by the devil.
2Cor is already a hint that the church is not the new eve, in fact Paul is worried the church might suffer the fate of the old eve.
So back to my question: How did Paul contrast the new adam from the old adam? Did they make similar actions or opposite actions?
@stevejeffe87722@ScriptureAlone2 church fathers such as Justin Martyr and Iraneous agreed with me and those two are considered apostolic fathers meaning the live with at least two generations away from the apostles
@stevejeffe87722@ScriptureAlone2 You already admitted Satan deceived Eve
so devil doesn't have enmity with Eve anymore because he has already tricked her to sin.
but the devil has enmity betwee him and Mary because she is the only other person aside from Jesus whom the devil has not tricked.
@_Jake_H_B_@ScriptureAlone2 Actually Mary is the best representation of the new Eve for the simple reason that since the New Adam reverses the actions done by the Old Adam, the New Eve also must reverse the actions of the Old Eve
@_Jake_H_B_@ScriptureAlone2 yeah john is a passive participant, God did not ask for his consent, he was born to be the one who will prepare Jesus's way.
God asked Mary's consent, that is where the difference is