If I hear another Boomer conservative bitching about Gen Z ordering DoorDash I’m going to become a communist. It’s true their grandparents always cooked homemade meals. But that’s because grandma stayed at home and grandpa had a union job and nobody could reach him after 5. They had a house with a full kitchen and 3 kids by 25. Meanwhile half of Gen Z men are forced to compete with the entire population of South America for some 12 hour long shift HVAC job that barely pays the rent. They’re 30 and nobody cooks for them because they can’t find any women who’ll marry them when they can’t even afford a starter home in the ghetto. The other half of Gen Z men are busting their ass competing with the entire populations of India and China for some 70 hour a week powerpoint job that asks them for updates on the slides at 3AM. They can’t find anyone to cook for them either, because every women around them is convinced that being a mother and cooking for a man is beneath them because they’re gonna save the world when they become VP of Marketing at MegaCorp in 20 years.
Singer Eric Clapton generates outrage when, at a concert in Birmingham, UK, he shouts multiple racial slurs, tells foreigners to leave the concert and the country, and calls Britain a “black colony.”
“Fucking Saudis taking over London,” Clapton says. “Send them all back. England is a white country. Keep Britain white!”
@matt_e_cochran@StandAndKnox Hans apparently does not know that ladies think being "nice" is when a man submits to them, and being "not nice" is when a man does not submit to them.
@Hymncomposer@lymanstoneky Making it hard to dismiss a pastor leads to abuse, as Lyman pointed out originally.
The 4th is not a shield against removal for pastors who fail at their charge. Some pastors got abused by their congregants, sad to hear it. Your congregants also have stories of employer abuse.
@Hymncomposer@lymanstoneky Sure, but if pastors are depriving the sheep of ministry by acting as rent-seekers instead of as shepherds, they're not really God's servants, now are they?
@Hymncomposer@lymanstoneky So to take an extreme, you believe that a pastor who does not write sermons, teach studies, or visit shutins should continue to take a paycheck from his congregation until he retires or dies?
A number of conservatives celebrated mass Hispanic immigration because they'd thought it would boost the faith.
In reality, Hispanic immigrants are assimilating to the modern American slop bowl and not reviving anything.
@Hymncomposer@lymanstoneky No one said that to kick underperforming pastors out of the church and deprive them of spiritual care. You're acting like to stop paying pastors who aren't doing their jobs is tantamount to spiritual murder. Get a grip.
@Hymncomposer@lymanstoneky As if being a father is just receiving grace for your profound shortcomings. But that's not true.
Fathers have obligations. When they don't feed and clothe their children, CPS gets involved.
The right of a congregation to be fed trumps an unable/unwilling pastor's right to pay.
@Hymncomposer@lymanstoneky You think employers in the secular realm care about an employee's depression? Oh but it's the church so let's all make sure the pastor's feefees are taken into due consideration. This is why no one takes you guys seriously.
@Hymncomposer@lymanstoneky So only congregants that are solid, dependable workers who take their jobs seriously and deliver excellent results can judge the Pastor's job performance?
Your terms are acceptable. Especially since these are the congregants paying 90% of his salary.
@Hymncomposer@lymanstoneky Be it resolved that people gripe.
Next item on our agenda: what is to be done when pastors are useless layabouts that exasperate their Godly, long-suffering congregants?
@Hymncomposer@lymanstoneky Now maybe those pastors were great guys and the congregation was full of cretins (Cretans?). That's a different matter than what Lyman is talking about, and you're failing to make the distinction because it's difficult to get a man to understand something when his job...you know.
On dismissal I am not arguing we should hire/fire pastors like a secular business; just that there should be some kind of credible process where pastors not technically corrupt can nonetheless be held to account for being unsuitable for the actual job. As it is the accepted practice is "deny them pay raises, engage in a low-key campaign of sabotage and annoyance, make their life miserable so they take a call elsewhere" and that is a horrible horrible horrible way to do this.