i have a checkmark because the fascistic spaceman offered me two months for two dollars and I sold my soul for the exposure boost to get my old mutuals back, sue me
i fully admit I thought I could hide the checkmark like a coward, and have only now realized you can’t anymore.
@camicumchom@k4l4shn1k0v34@aubergineman08 It’s a paraphrase of a Karl Liebknecht quote. But apologies for the combativeness. This was just … like some alternate version of the “no, we’re not coming for your toothbrush” meme.
@redspy1922@Bigmonger or maybe you’ll fit in because the orthodox will respect your well-argued and self-aware disagreement with doctrinal orthodoxy.
just, at least, for the love of Quetzalcóatl, don’t tell orthodox Marxists to “read Marx” because they “don’t get him” or yell “horseshoe theory lol”
No, for some it’s probably some vague spirituality largely equivalent to an impersonal Spinozan god or a curiosity towards the karmic energies of quartz. Which are already far more secular and materialism-compatible beliefs than a doctrinal and liturgical belief in, for example, an abrahamic religion with a personal and deterministic creator. So it doesn’t really change anything in the context of this discussion. Both religiosity (regardless of the nuances to the answer keys) and the self-reported importance of religiosity in one’s life (vaguely indicative of how strongly one will resist new knowledge which does not correspond to one’s religious presuppositions) correlate negatively to economic development up to a point where other — still material — externalities begin to play a role.
a cursory reading of Engels would’ve avoided this whole discourse (and the astrology civil war before it). man told the Blanquist communards to stop out-Bismarcking Bismarck by doing a hecking atheist inquisition with state power, and then told Dühring to grow some balls and stop being so permissive of metaphysical idealism within the Marxist marketplace of ideas.
to drive the point home, although it’s a historical simplification, Lenin enacted a policy of state persecution of the church, learned Engels’ lesson all over again when he caused a militant Catholic revival, and decided to back right the fuck off and deal with it through education and economic development.
like why are we still arguing this in 2026. no, you can’t inquisition the Jews with machine guns and no, you can’t bring your tarot cards to the struggle session.
@popspampop@AndeanHermedic “marxism, the doctrinally rigid, Socratic and decidedly anti-metaphysical scientific analysis of material reality, came to me in a dream” I can’t with you people lol
kick rocks, dumbass
@popspampop@AndeanHermedic “marxism, the doctrinally rigid, Socratic and decidedly anti-metaphysical scientific analysis of material reality, came to me in a dream” I can’t with you people lol
kick rocks, dumbass
@SlClLIANVESPERS@DeemTheDreem you’re an islamophobe RETVRN-posting Spanish nationalist with an apparent belief in esoteric pagan occultism, so it’s not like I’m gonna take you seriously, my guy.
you’re basically the modern version of an eccentric nazi schizoposting about hyperboreans. get help.
How, concretely, are you quantifying the “greatness” of his principia, and are you counterbalancing and discounting his scientific “non-great” contributions and how are you scoring that sum against all other scientists while adjusting for their vastly disparate positions in time and space and the relative degrees of right-time-right-place luck that enabled those scores?
Greatest by what metric? The man spent his life chasing a Philosopher’s Stone capable of performing alchemy and because of some esoteric Pythagorean belief in the divinity of the number 7 straight up just arbitrarily added two more colors to his model of a rainbow because his observation didn’t correspond to his foregone conclusion.
Spirituality doesn’t preclude scientific discovery and advancement, no, but it sure invites unscientific presuppositions and conclusions.
neurotheology, per your own screenshots too by the way, studies how the brain *responds* to and internalizes religious and spiritual *practices* and *traditions* and similar *stimuli*.
i.e. it does not suppose or suggest spontaneously emergent spirituality but how spirituality emerges from societal spiritual conditioning.
something something cart and horse.
Respectfully, what the fuck are you on about? Are you a liberal who somehow stumbled your way into a Marxist internal debate over doctrinal anti-theism within Orthodox Marxism? Why?
It is assumed understood by all parties here, that we are talking about bourgeois culture and its norms and traditions insofar as they reify, uphold and/or reproduce class society and relations, not your fucking regional Anglo-Indian cuisine lmao. Nobody is coming for your Chicken Tikka Masala, ma’am.
Respectfully, what the fuck are you on about? Are you a liberal who somehow stumbled your way into a Marxist internal debate over doctrinal anti-theism within Orthodox Marxism? Why?
It is assumed understood by all parties here, that we are talking about bourgeois culture and its norms and traditions insofar as they reify, uphold and/or reproduce class society and relations, not your fucking regional Anglo-Indian cuisine lmao. Nobody is coming for your Chicken Tikka Masala, ma’am.
@EtherealAn0maly@AndeanHermedic Absent an argument I haven’t considered, I’m not necessarily opposed to a belief in some notion of Spinoza’s God, but at that point you are, for all intents and purposes, materially indistinguishable from an atheist who believes it statistically probable that we are in the Matrix
Nonsensical buzzfeed listicle quality rhetoric. The “structure” you reference is our brain’s inherent ability to (and stubborn insistence on) inventing explanations, even fantastical ones, to phenomena we can’t rationally explain. I.e. our predisposition to the “god of the gaps” fallacy seems pathological.
The answer to that predicament, then, is exactly the materialist one. That we must find and provide those rational answers and fill in the pockets of human ignorance we will otherwise explain away with metaphysics — I.e. when there are no gaps, there will be no god — not to assume spirituality to be eternal and inevitable.