Josh Logier

[Josh Logier @thunderproof1]

@wearesmrt @RepThomasMassie @CDCgov 6/That is the smoke and mirrors. The data is available publicly across the world. It paints a very different picture from what your late-night-fear-mongering talking head wants to scare you into believing. And it turns out it has been predictable all along.

[Josh Logier @thunderproof1]

@wearesmrt @RepThomasMassie @CDCgov 5/Natural immunity is far superior in every way to any vaccine currently available. Broader immunity against variants, less leaky and lower risk of spread, and much longer lasting. Why is no one allowing natural immunity "identification" in place of vaccination?

[Josh Logier @thunderproof1]

@wearesmrt @RepThomasMassie @CDCgov 4/None of that answers the question why the unvaccinated should be required to get vaccinated. If the vaccine works as you say yet you can still spread the virus then how are the unvaccinated the threat that need to be addressed? Also what about natural immunity?

[Josh Logier @thunderproof1]

@wearesmrt @RepThomasMassie @CDCgov 3/Countries with large natural immunity are almost entirely spared from the current delta wave. Countries such as India, Spain, Sweden, and other countries that were previously hit very hard are seeing extremely low case counts and deaths (or short spikes).

[Josh Logier @thunderproof1]

@wearesmrt @RepThomasMassie @CDCgov 2/Deaths are entirely dependent on how hard certain demographics have been hit in previous waves not based on vaccination status. This is why Israel is seeing large numbers of hospitalizations/death among vaccinated while the UK is not.

[Josh Logier @thunderproof1]

@wearesmrt @RepThomasMassie @CDCgov 1/For a very short period of time...

All the data is proving this. Israel, UK, Iceland, Singapore, and all the other most vaccinated countries in the world (w/ over 70%+ vaccinated a level long considered to cause herd immunity) are seeing the worst outbreak in 18 months.

[Josh Logier @thunderproof1]

@wearesmrt @RepThomasMassie @CDCgov And just to be clear, if the covid situation really is as dire for the entire population as you an others presume, real genuine success *should* be of utmost importance. Smoke and mirrors is not saving lives.

[Josh Logier @thunderproof1]

@wearesmrt @RepThomasMassie @CDCgov Maybe a healthy dose of skepticism for something that has been studied for DECADES and has only resulted in a grand total of 2 "successful" vaccines, one of which (covid) meets almost no historical criteria of success for a vaccine.

Again, lowering the bar is not "success".

[Josh Logier @thunderproof1]

@wearesmrt @RepThomasMassie @CDCgov "learns" that a rushed vaccine based on a new, never-before-successful technology with limited efficacy in real-world data is now the new standard for vaccines that have existed for 100 years with real efficacy/immunity demonstrated over decades.

Lowering the bar is not learning

[Josh Logier @thunderproof1]

@FreedomatDawn21 @szoupi @BetteMidler Ummm, try the SELF or CONVENIENCE. The gods of our age. Read the arguments and tell me these people don't worship themselves. They do so with more fervor than most religious people. Nothing has changed, it is worshipping an invented god that gives you what you want.

[Josh Logier @thunderproof1]

@Taylor568 @crimson_mick @Zigmanfreud And for the record, I'm glad the man with 43 followers was the bold one to bash me. Maybe one day I will be as popular as you!

[Josh Logier @thunderproof1]

@Taylor568 @crimson_mick @Zigmanfreud There we go! Cue the ad hominems. Maybe one day people won't equate popularity with intelligence. It's why we are in this situation to begin with.

[Josh Logier @thunderproof1]

@crimson_mick @Zigmanfreud FYI, none of my arguments that you obviously didn't read, referred to the side effects. I simply stated once that I wanted to see the long term data. I never said the side effects were bad. My argument is based on the efficacy. If it doesn't work the side effects are irrelevant.

[Josh Logier @thunderproof1]

@crimson_mick @Zigmanfreud And who said I rejected the virus? This is why your "science" of group-think is so dangerous. You reject anything anyone says because you SUSPECT they might be a Trump voter because they reject the narrative that your supreme leaders push so hard. Ridiculous

[Josh Logier @thunderproof1]

@crimson_mick @Zigmanfreud Huh? This is why we can't haven't any honest debate about anything because you people are so caught up in fighting this ethereal Trump god that has taken over the world that you can't even think straight. I could care a less about Fox News or Trump but obviously you do.

[Josh Logier @thunderproof1]

@crimson_mick @Zigmanfreud 6/situation until 2-3 months from now. So any US study is going to show vaccines are overwhelmingly working, because they currently ARE. Data from Israel, UK, and Iceland showed that as well until now. The distinctions are crucial to understanding what is likely to happen soon.

[Josh Logier @thunderproof1]

@crimson_mick @Zigmanfreud 5/Understanding the shortcomings and strengths in each study. For example, data in the US is PREMATURE relative to the UK, Israel, and Iceland among others. They vaccinated much earlier and in much higher numbers. If their current data is accurate we will not see a similar

[Josh Logier @thunderproof1]

@crimson_mick @Zigmanfreud 4/Data showing cases counts instead of deaths is being used when convenient. Vaccine data is being twisted to be used as convenient. This is happening on both sides. Which is why it is crucial that people think critically in light of ALL the data that is flowing out.

[Josh Logier @thunderproof1]

@crimson_mick @Zigmanfreud 3/We have people coming out and saying things like the vaccines still prevent 85% of severe disease after 6 months. But that's misleading because the risk of severe disease among unvaccinated is 85%!!! All the data showing the waning effectiveness is being weaponized.

[Josh Logier @thunderproof1]

@crimson_mick @Zigmanfreud 2/This is where statistical science comes into play. While the CDC continues to tout the vaccine manufacturers studies of efficacy after 6 months the rest of the world is more concerned with real world data on large data sets and over time it is getting worse.