If you don’t believe the Bible at all, please take a look at the book of Daniel and check your assumptions and preconceptions at the door before you start.
I was entirely convinced as a young adult that the NT Bible had been altered too much to be trusted and that there was no way to validate the OT as anything other than a Jewish historical tradition that was updated as they went along.
An honest and skeptical analysis will lead you away from that conclusion.
The book of Daniel has incredibly precise prophecy about world events that would happen centuries after the book was written (even by secular skeptics dating), let alone translated into Greek for the Septuagint before 250 bc. The main secular objection for the book of Daniel is that the book is too accurate to have been written when it was.
https://t.co/pRSpsnp913 https://t.co/qYIpG4pLR8… https://t.co/srElpW8eDG… https://t.co/qanC6L5V6U…
The Masoretic text most bible are translated from was done almost a millennium afterwards and has verses redacted and changed to defend Judaism from arguments for Christianity. https://t.co/pZYVe14055…
This is also important as the new testament quotes from the Old Testament are largely from the Septuagint.
Daniel gives the exact day the messiah would come to Jerusalem.
Jesus IS the Christ.
The Tanach describes his crucifixion in Isaiah 53 and psalm 22 There are multiple implicit and a couple explicit references to God manifest in the flesh there too so the divinity of the messiah is not a post death invention by dejected followers, think the battle of Jericho where the “angel” invites worship, Abram serves a meal to the three “men” who aren’t and God is one of the three while no one can see god (father) face to face and live.
Look at the names in the genealogy from Adam to Noah, we just see the name as a transliteration but they give you the meanings in the text.
It’s a summary of the Christian doctrine in genesis BC era Jewish rabbis definitely didn’t plant that intentionally.
Adam - Man
Seth - Appointed
Enosh – Mortal
Kenan – Sorrow
Mahalalel – The blessed God
Jared – Shall come down
Enoch – Teaching
Methuselah – His death shall bring
Lamech – Despairing
Noah – Comfort and rest
More controversial, but there are plaintext equal letter distance sequences in the Tanach that are also statistically absurd to assume they were placed by man or randomly that list the genealogy in order of David, spell out Torah, etc. https://t.co/Xw0hYkTurp… https://t.co/A0OsMEeoFP… I can keep going but by this point you’ve either ignored me or started looking. Read the actual Bible in a literal translation for yourself. There are free apps and sites like blue letter Bible https://t.co/AjkOWYslf2 that let you read many versions of the Bible and get at the raw Greek or Hebrew of the text to check difficult verses. Mark/write down any issues serious doubts you have and they will be resolved as you study.
@Aelthemplaer What says it couldn’t just be spoken into existence exactly as we see it more or less? God can create from nothing in whatever state He wants.
@CatholicProt@Texzyns@AnaEscobarShow deuterocannon or apochrapha depending on your high church tradition. BUT... they were in it for the first ~150 years FWIW.
@700wives300huzz@AnaEscobarShow that is exactly what many people either outright say or imply: https://t.co/Mi2mi6b2Dk https://t.co/xtHzFi3jHL https://t.co/Bsd8MuQFJ8 https://t.co/AUmaPmEJma, etc
most probably want to keep people from starving but have two hang ups. 1. government isn't the correct tool for the job and generally wastes many resources local orgs like the... CHURCH... use more efficiently. and 2. 2 Thessalonians 3:10–12 (ESV)
10 For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat. 11 For we hear that some among you walk in idleness, not busy at work, but busybodies. 12 Now such persons we command and encourage in the Lord Jesus Christ to do their work quietly and to earn their own living.
@paulwuethrich@farmingandJesus The tongues evidenced in the first century were the languages of the people they were preaching to, not glossolalia.
Acts 2:6 (KJV)
Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
@tradewithvril@TheTedUnderhill@Osint613 You mean the Iranians were able to use a mature weapon system for its intended purpose against its intended target after decades of development by major world powers? Shocking…
it's one letter off from the Joshua of the OT. the names all have meanings. you don't willingly get tortured to death because of an allegory and then have a generation of people who insist they saw Him alive after said death also willingly submit to be tortured to death because of an allegory. even more so, you don't end up with one of the main antagonists advocating for the execution of His followers suddenly swap sides and then also be willing to be imprisioned, tortured, impoverished, and also executed for an allegory.
BUT it also has bias and guardrails built in. It may still be that way or it might have been fixed, but chatGPT flat refused to read, not interpret, just read, multiple verses. Not controversial one, not the ones you might expect discussing the SoS or who killed the Lord…
We donate our excess eggs and I have a list of verse references I rotate through with maybe a hundred verses that talk about food or God providing blessings. My 9 year old asked what that verse was and I was cooking so I asked chatGPT to read it to us. It started and then cuts out and says my guidelines won’t let me talk about that. There were multiple verses that triggered it but this was the first I found:
1 Timothy 6:17-18 (KJV) 17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; 18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;
IF you train a model and don’t nerf it then yes, it could answer with a meaningful answer, you can help existing LLM with a RAG and vault, but we should be looking to the Spirit to teach us all things, not some code on a computer.
Hebrews 9:27 (KJV)
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
And
2 Corinthians 5:6-8 (KJV) 6 Therefore [we are] always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) 8 We are confident, [I say], and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
No purgatory.
And you need an angel view of Gen 6 to understand 1 Peter 3:19-20 (KJV) 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
Genesis 6:2-4 (KJV) 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.
Jude 1:6 (KJV)
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Look at the tribes they were told to devote to destruction and you’ll see they were the tribes with nephilim descendants.
Non canonical but Enoch tells us those nephilim offspring killed in the flood are the evil spirits/demons.
That’s the point, conviction doesn’t cut it. Good deeds don’t cut it, belief doesn’t cut it if its misplaced. That’s religion. You need relationship with and atonement from The God not a god… but to get that you’re going to need faith in God and for that you’re going to need grace bestowed by Him. Praise God He’s given that to us by sending His Son to pay the penalty and give us that grace, as a gift, no gangrenous feet required or hand forever locked in the air required.
okay then... In Lukes Greek every name in the genealogy has the definite article except Joseph's name. That sets him outside the chain being as was supposed the son of Joseph of Heli. So Jesus is really the grandson of Heli through Mary. Its a levirate style deal. Go check the daughters of Zelophehad in Numbers 27 and 36. They inherit the line when theres no sons and marry inside the clan to keep it going. Joseph marries Mary daughter of Heli no brothers mentioned and becomes the legal son in the record. That carries Helis line forward.And this gets around the blood curse on the Davidic line after Jeconiah. Jeremiah 22:30 says none of his offspring will sit on the throne. Matthew gives Josephs legal royal line through Solomon and Jeconiah so Jesus gets the throne right by adoption. But Luke gives Marys biological line through Nathan and through that route there is no Jeconiah no curse. Virgin birth means the blood is uncursed from Mary. Perfect harmony.God laid things out like the ultimate Rube Goldberg machine before the world was created and we get to marvel at His work! The whole Bible is like that once you start looking.
Thankfully Jesus fulfilled the law and we're not under it anymore. Break one part and you've broken the whole thing (James 2:10). Hopefully you don't wear mixed fabrics, eat shellfish, pork, or cheeseburgers, shave your beard or sideburns, or skip all the temple tithes and offerings at that temple that doesn't currently exist. Hopefully you've never seen someone in need and not helped them, never made a promise and then broken it, never kept a library book longer than you should have, never argued and yelled at your parents, and never had a lustful or rage filled thought... Paul discusses this at length. All things are lawful for me, but not all things are profitable. Those things forbidden like boiling a kid in its mother’s milk, cutting yourself for the dead, etc. were standard practices in Canaanite idol worship. Tattooing the only name by which we must be saved is very far from worshiping false gods.