For all the haters out there, these demands were real. I notified LE immediately. They were determined to be from someone using the Nancy's case to extort money. If you recieve any ransom demands call 800 CALL FBI immediately. They need to be caught.
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Whether the Guthrie family is involved in this crime or not, their actions โ rather than any established facts โ is what has driven the most speculation.
โIn other words, they aren't doing themselves any favors here.
โThe question I've heard most over the last 7.5 months is this:
โ๐ "Where is Nancy Guthrie?"
โYet that question hasn't come from her family. Why?
โThe second phrase echoed everywhere is:
โ๐ "If that were MY mother..."
Hell, I've done more to search for a missing pet than the Guthrie family appears to have done to find Nancy.
๐จ Personally, โthat is my biggest issue here.
โSome argue their actions are due to their public celebrity status, but I don't buy that. That 'status' grants them vastly more resources than average families ever receive - families who would give ANYTHING for a fraction of the spotlight the Guthries leave completely unused.
What have they actually done besides post a million-dollar reward and bounce?
-โ No searches.
-โ No flyers.
-โ No press conferences.
-โ No public pleas outside of a few seemingly forced Instagram posts by Savannah.
-โ Minimal coverage from NBC, a multi-billion-dollar network.
-โ No sit-down interviews except one with Hoda, which raised more unanswered questions than it resolved.
-โ Zero public accountability demanded from PCSD or Sheriff Nanos regarding the handling of this investigation.
So what have they done?
-โ Maintained silence.
-โ Sought legal action against the people (streamers) talking about Nancy the most.
- Offered an unclaimed reward.
-โ Targeted the public with statements suggesting that following the story for news or commentary makes them part of the harm against Nancy. ("If you are following this story for entertainment or for profit, you are not on her side - YOU are part of the harm perpetrated against her")
โAside from an occasional anniversary post or comment from Savannah, the rest of the family has been completely silent. Annie and Camron have been MIA for MONTHS.
Meanwhile, friends, coworkers, neighbors, and acquaintances appear to have been instructed to stay quiet. โ
Why?
โWhen people stop talking about a missing person, that individual becomes just another statistic - just one of roughly 100,000 active missing persons in the United States.
โMainstream media may have moved on, but the online community hasn't, and won't.
โWhether the family is involved or not, they have done nothing to squash rumors and everything to fuel speculation. The fact that total strangers seem to care more about finding her than her own family does remains the most troubling part of all.
โWhere is Nancy Guthrie? ๐
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The newest video this AM by #MonksIntrigue made me do a deep dive into Arizona's APS Protocols.
After doing this research, I now have some MAJOR questions! ๐ฉ๐ฉ
๐ First off, the name on the card lists a "Debra M. - Advanced Investigatior APS"
๐ฉ Per AZ APS website, an APS ADVANCED INVESTIGATOR (often classified officially as an APS Investigator Specialist III or IV) refers to a high-level, senior professional within Adult Protective Services. These individuals are ONLY tasked with investigating COMPLEX, SEVERE, HIGH-RISK cases involving the ABUSE, NEGLECT, or FINANCIAL EXPLOITATION of vulnerable populations, such as the elderly or adults with mental or physical disabilities.
Umm Excuse me? ๐ต๐ฉ
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Questions that Monks raised:
๐ Why would APS come out for a person that was still missing? No one was there besides law enforcement.
๐ Why would APS come out with PCSD on scene?
๐ Was it really a neighbor that called, as Nanos suggested? (I highly doubt it)
๐ Let's say it was a neighbor - why would they call APS? For what? To report a kidnapping? ๐ค (see bottom of this post for the researched info I found on what APS does & does not respond to)
๐ Was it actually one of her church friends who called APS? Did they have concerns about something that had been going on in Nancy's life & wanted to relay the information now that Nancy had all of a sudden disappeared? But why not tell LE? APS makes no sense UNLESS they had suspicions of abuse.
๐ Also, APS is a very busy government social service; especially in a town with so many elderly. The very first step in an investigation is typically a phone interview with the "victim" and then a home visit IF warranted. ๐ค
๐ In an active emergency situation like a kidnapping APS would advise the caller to call 911 as they do not handle missing persons.
After doing even more research online about APS protocols, specifically in Arizona, I am 1000% convinced there is more to this story โ๏ธ๐ฉ
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๐ Does APS come out when a person is reported missing?
๐ฉ No, Adult Protective Services (APS) does not respond directly to locate a missing person, nor do they deploy field agents for search-and-rescue operations or investigations regarding the cause for the disappearance.
๐ Here is how the roles differ and where APS fits into a missing person case:
๏ฟฝ๏ฟฝ๏ฟฝ๏ธ Law Enforcement Leads the Search -
๐ฉ Reporting a person missing is a police matter. Local law enforcement, sheriff departments, or search-and-rescue teams handle missing person investigations, Silver Alerts, and physical searches.
โณ๏ธ When APS Gets Involved:
๐ฉ APS investigates allegations of abuse, neglect, or financial exploitation involving vulnerable or elderly adults living in a known environment.
โณ๏ธ Coordination Between Agencies:
๐ฉ If law enforcement locates a missing vulnerable adult who appears to have been neglected, exploited, or abandonedโor if a missing person report stems from a compromised or unsafe living environmentโpolice may notify APS to step in and assist with protective services, emergency shelter, or medical evaluations once the individual's safety is secured.
๐ฉโ๏ธ Initial contact often includes a preliminary PHONE CHECK within 24 hours to assess safety BEFORE the caseworker conducts an in-person visit. Full APS investigations and service plan resolutions typically take between 30 and 45 days to complete. Exact timelines of an investigation can vary state by state
๐ฉโ๏ธIf someone is reported missing, APS will typical come out for a visit AFTER they are safely located.
These are some huge red flags. And I actually have a friend who works for APS in Mesa, AZ. I've reached out & I'm waiting for her to get back to me to see if she can answer some questions I have.
Where is Nancy Guthrie? ๐
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7-year-old Jor'Dynn Duncan's relatives say they learned about her alleged torture death from caregiver via text message..
Relatives say they tried repeatedly to see 7-year-old JorโDynn Duncan in the final days of her life, but the excuses kept coming.
Then came the text message they never imagined.
โI have horrible news,โ Emily Kelly, of Bayport, wroteย the on Dec. 30, the day family members hoped to see her, a message shared with Newsday showsย . โYesterday at 3 a.m. Jordynn spiked a very high fever โฆ she was pronounced dead.โ
Five months later, family members say they are still haunted by how theyย said they learned JorโDynn diedย from the woman now charged with murdering her.
Interviews with family members, court records, text messages and allegations outlined by prosecutors paint a portrait of a child who family members say became increasingly isolated after being placed in Kellyโs custody, even as concernsย mounted about her well-being in the months before her deathย as she was allegedly missing school, being withheld from family members who sensed something was wrong with her.
Relatives said their outrage has only deepened because JorโDynn was quickly removed from the home where she had spent most of her life and placed with Kelly, the woman prosecutors now accuse of tying her up and torturing her.
Alisha Case, of Mount Sinai, JorโDynnโs godmother and the parent of two of her cousins, said the childโs death shockedย and devastated family members who had been trying to see her in the final weeks of her life.
Case said her last contact with JorโDynn came in the form of a text message thanking her for presents on Christmas Day. She said she tried calling, but never heard back. Four days later, the child was dead.
When they first tried to make plans to see her in December, Kelly, the fiancรฉe of Jordynnโs incarcerated father, said they were going snow tubing and might not be able to attend, Case said. On the morning JorโDynn died, Case told Kelly in a text message that time was running short asย the girlโs maternal grandmother, Melinda Duncan, and an aunt were heading home to Florida the next day.
โPlease make an effort to meet tonight,โ Case said she pleaded with Kelly on Dec. 29. โYou are all welcome to come to my house.โ
In her message to the childโs grandmother and aunt the following day, Kelly said she gave JorโDynn Tylenol at 3 a.m. and sent her back to bed. She said she woke up six hours later moaning and complaining of stomach pain. Kelly told them JorโDynn had diarrhea and began vomiting when she tried to wash her up. She ultimately collapsed and stopped breathing, Kelly told the family via text message.
โThey are doing an autopsy to determine what happened,โ Kelly wrote in a message the family shared with Newsday. โI am beside myself and sorry to have to tell you this.โ
Kelly explained that the house was โflooded with detectives and family services,โ preventing her from telling them sooner.
โI am devastated,โ she wrote.
Abuse allegations
Kelly, 50,ย ย is facing a second-degree murder charge for the alleged abuse prosecutors sayย led to JorโDynn's death on Dec. 29. Suffolkย prosecutors said a dozen sharp-force ย wounds to her backside and colon led to a โmassive infectionโand caused the child to suffer cardiac arrest.
First responders called to the house at 10:30 that morning never saw JorโDynn regain consciousness,ย Assistant District Attorney Dena Rizopoulos said at Kellyโs May 20 arraignment.
โThere were also a total of at least 90 recent injuries all over her body at the time she died,โ Rizopoulos told State Supreme Court Justice John Collins in Riverhead. "Theย bulk of those injuries were all inflicted approximately 48 hours or less before her death.โ
Rizopoulos said in court last week that the bathroom is where much of the alleged abuse occurred, but she said JorโDynn and the bathroom floor were โbone dryโ when paramedics first arrived following a 911 call placed by Kelly, refuting the claim she was being cleaned up when she collapsed.
The prosecutor said video evidence found through a search warrant for Kellyโs phone showed the girl in the bathtub at 6:15 p.m. on Dec. 28 being โadmonishedโ by Kellyโs mother, Barbara Renner, 75, who is charged with manslaughter in connection with the childโs death.
โJor'Dynn's coloring appears off, her skin is muddled, her face is swollen, her eyes are shut,โ Rizopoulos said. The girl is moaning in the video and can be seen straining to cover herself with a towel, the prosecutor said.
โA total of 16 hours elapsed between those videos and the 911 call when JorโDynn Duncan was well beyond hope, and no medical intervention could help,โ Rizopoulos said.
Legislative review sought
The allegations have led to an outcry this week from Long Island residents grappling to understand how JorโDynn could have been placed in the home of her alleged abusers. A Newsday report revealing Kelly lost her own infant son to homicidal domestic violence nearly three decades ago caused an even stronger public reaction.
Suffolk County Minority Leader Jason Richberg on Tuesday called for officials from Child Protective Services and the police department to provide a briefing to lawmakers on JorโDynnโs death. A colleague echoed the legislatorโs concern.
โA child in our county died, and we have a responsibility, whether or not the county is responsible for it is not the point,โ Legis. Rebecca Sanin (D-Huntington Station) said at a committee meeting Tuesday. โThe point is a child died, and as policymakers we should be bringing people together to do a better job and solve problems.โ
Suffolk County Executive Edward Romaine has declined to talkย about the case or any potential separate investigation into the child's death. A spokesperson declined comment for this story.
A judge's order
Family members on both JorโDynnโs maternal and paternal sides said in interviews this week that she was removed from her motherโs home as a baby due to a failed drug test ย by probation officers. Her mother, Portia Duncan, 46, of Coram, had prior convictions for drug possession and other offenses when a family court order stripped her of custody.
While family court documents are not public in New York State, a single cover page from a judgeโs order shared with Newsday showed Duncan was found through a Child Protective Services petition to have neglected JorโDynn when she was just 14 months old in May 2019.
Kim Jackson, of Coram, said JorโDynnโs father, Derrick Dixon, 51, who she had previously been married to, asked for her help after the child initially stayed with her mother's friend.
Jackson, who raised two adult daughters, said she had a proper home for the girl. She said she remembered Dixon saying he didnโt want to see his daughter end up in foster care.
โWhen I looked into that little girl's eyes and she grabbed my legs, I couldn't say no,โ Jackson recalled.
For more than five years, JorโDynn was placed into the custody of Jackson, family members said.
That changed after it was determined the child had contact with her mother during a sleepover in 2024, Jackson said. An effort was made to have JorโDynn placed with one of Jacksonโs daughters, but Kelly, Dixonโs girlfriend at the time, also sought custody and had his support.
Jackson said the family court system failed her.
โThey failed Jor'Dynnย too,โ she said.
The court document shared with Newsday shows Family Court Judge Matthew Hughes modified the child protective order on Nov. 14, 2024. Three weeks later, on Dec. 4, she was placed with Kelly, prosecutors said in court last week. She was granted full custody in April, eight months before the girlโs death.
Reached by email, Hughes said: "Due to strict rules on judicial ethics, I am not permitted to comment on matters involving family court litigation."
Broken plans, canceled visits
Jackson and Case said opportunities to see JorโDynn were scarce in the year she lived with Kelly.
Plans were broken as quickly as they were made, the women said.
At one point, Kelly told the family she couldnโt respond to messages because her phone was broken, Case recalled.
JorโDynn continued to miss parties and play dates, with different excuses each time, she said.
โThey went to Hershey Park,โ Case remembered being told one time. โWeโve never seen any photos of that.โ
One time, when Case planned to bring her children to see their cousin, Kelly said JorโDynn had a double eye infection and an oral abscess. They showed up anyway, but Kelly said it was contagious and they should leave.
The next day, Kelly told them she took JorโDynn back to the doctor.
Missing from school
Prosecutors said in court last week that in her year under Kellyโs care, JorโDynn was never seen by a doctor, despite claims she made to family and school officials, who were concerned about the childโs frequent absences.
Rizopoulos said Kelly blamed approximately 40 absences between January and June on illnesses, a death in the family and vacations, when questioned by administrators in the Bayport-Blue Point School District. Investigators believed those excuses to be lies, the prosecutor said. A school calendar shared in court records show she had just two full days in school inย May 2025.
Kelly told detectives JorโDynn suffered from psychological issues, that she ate feces, vomited and self-harmed.
โShe repeatedly fabricated elaborate stories to shield herself from responsibility,โ Rizopoulos said.
Text messages between Kelly and daughter Elyssa Seymore, 24, who was charged with unlawful imprisonment, show the alleged abuse Jor'Dynn endured, which prosecutors said included being hit in the face and tied up in the tub.
Kelly's attorney, John LoTurco, of Huntington, has said he's confident that his client "will be exonerated." Renner's attorney Danielle Coysh has said she has dementia and "no criminal culpability." Seymore's attorney Katherine Fernandez has said her client denies the allegations against her relating to a three-day period in July 2025.
LoTurco suggested the injuries might have been the result of self-harm.
Family members said they never saw any evidence of JorโDynn harming herself or having bathroom issues. Prosecutors said the self-harm claims are not true.
And Case and Jackson said Child Protective Services was aware of family concerns about the girlโs well-being months before her death.
One family member contacted CPS around April 2025 when JorโDynn did not show up for a baby shower she was expected to attend, the women said. The family believed Kelly was intentionally keeping JorโDynn from seeing her family. ย When Kellyย learned of the complaint, she told the family she would keep them from seeing Jor'Dynn, the women said.
The women recalled the last time they were together with JorโDynn was when they took her to see the "Lilo & Stitch" movie in late May 2025.
Jackson said family members now believe the times they couldnโt see JorโDynn were likely due to the alleged abuse, which an indictment shows may have began as early as Jan. 17,ย six weeks after she was placed in the home.
Jackson said family members noticed a change in JorโDynn after she was placed with Kelly. They said the well-mannered little girl they knew to dance all day and say her prayers at night, lost a bit of her spark. She wasnโt being kept as neat as in the past, they added, saying her hair wasnโt being done and her appearance had changed.
Text messages shared in court records led investigatorsย to believeย Kelly and Seymoreย tried to hide the abuse. In one exchange, they mentioned Jackson while discussing how the alleged abuse had altered the girl'sย appearance, in particular her eyes.
"Kim saw it and said that's just her allergies she gets that," Kelly wrote on July 27.
Caseย said she wishes the girlย would have told them what she was allegedly going through when they took her to the movies in May.
โFor some reason she didn't,โ Case said. โI think she was just so afraid.โ
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FAMILY STATEMENT: Eric Richins' sister, Amy, spoke briefly after the verdict. "Four years ago, our family lost the brightest light. Eric is deeply loved and missed every single day. We are grateful to everyone who has worked tirelessly to bring justice for Eric. Our focus is now on honoring Eric's life and supporting his boys, as we all continue to heal. Thank you all for being here. "