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Determinists will sometimes charge the pre-Augustine fathers with being unclear on topics about grace, free will, predestination, etc.

I simply ask, how is it that the guardians of the faith were obscure, while the gnostics could teach the "true" position with clarity:

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@BibleInContext1 you’re a bald fuck who worships satan

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@StayRight239 @ruckusofantioch @MrAugustlw2c @HagiosGregorio @dionysiusmaurus https://t.co/ThlXkG2ILI

[Gregório. @HagiosGregorio]

"As St. Augustine had frequently said that such works of unbelievers, which appear virtuous and praiseworthy, are truly sins and deserving of punishment, no one can doubt that he understood them not as morally good, but as morally vicious and evil."

— Blessed Gregory of Rimini

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@ruckusofantioch @MrAugustlw2c @HagiosGregorio @dionysiusmaurus if his justification for the works being sin is that they spirate from original sin, and if original sin incurs guilt, what justification, *in augustine's writings,* is there for believing that the sinful works of the unregenerate do not incur guilt

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@ruckusofantioch @MrAugustlw2c @HagiosGregorio @dionysiusmaurus he calls the works sin because of original sin, which incurs guilt

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@TheOrthoEnsign @MrAugustlw2c @HagiosGregorio @dionysiusmaurus uh oh

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@TheOrthoEnsign @MrAugustlw2c @HagiosGregorio @dionysiusmaurus uh oh

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@TheOrthoEnsign @MrAugustlw2c @HagiosGregorio @dionysiusmaurus it means to live by reason. to live by reason is to live virtuously. abraham was justified by faith and works as he lived according to reason.

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@TheOrthoEnsign @MrAugustlw2c @HagiosGregorio @dionysiusmaurus clearly consistent with his soteriology

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@TheOrthoEnsign @MrAugustlw2c @HagiosGregorio @dionysiusmaurus you repeated what I stated. because of how the philosophers lived, reasonably/rightly, they were accepted by God. he's not speaking about faith, which is a work, he's speaking about how they lived

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@ruckusofantioch @MrAugustlw2c @HagiosGregorio @dionysiusmaurus augustine believes the good works of unbelievers incur guilt and trent rightly anathematizes this. there is no agreement.

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@TheOrthoEnsign @MrAugustlw2c @HagiosGregorio @dionysiusmaurus he acknowledges their atheism and says they are accepted because they lived rightly

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@TheOrthoEnsign @MrAugustlw2c @HagiosGregorio @dionysiusmaurus justin martyr bestows the name of Christian to virtuous greek philosophers

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@sedevacantenikt @MikeBurmy @kingofthehood89 It’s interesting you use this terminology because it’s directly condemned by every father

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@cathcrusader123 @HagiosGregorio not in question

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@dionysiusmaurus @HagiosGregorio ?

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@Scourgus @TeeTrimma @agusofpare @WalmartThomist @franczvicenza89 orange and carthage do not teach what is necessary for monergism

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@Halfamaninacan @dionysiusmaurus no, lol

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@ChudThomist @ClassicalTheis I'm asking about how you define condemnation. Is it merely hell with no other concept involved