@BernalinTui@AMDG_Derek "If I remain and believe in Him, I am saved." That is the Catholic position.
"If I remain" keyword *I* followed immediately by a verb
"Not by good works ... am I saved" Also the Catholic position. And being in a state of grace we become more like God.
@BernalinTui@AMDG_Derek I've answered many if your questions and yet you keep going back to them.
I do wish to dialogue with you, but this can't be one sided, where you ask and discard.
You need to tell me what you took away from what I said, what you disagree with and *why*
@BernalinTui@AMDG_Derek "I am just asking to understand your own argument." vs "you understand your own answers"
AH SO THERE WAS A PRETENSE!
I believe I'm explaining clearly. The issue at hand is you do nothing with them but ask more questions.
Is something I say unclear to you??
@BernalinTui@AMDG_Derek X is not the best place to learn Catholic theology (partly typing complex thoughts on mobile with a char limit is well limiting)
Please read this first.
(CCC 1987-2029)
@BernalinTui@AMDG_Derek Alright I'll concede I was too harsh on you; but I did have reason to be frustrated as well.
Anyways.
As quoted by the Bible. We don't know for certain we are in a state of grace but if we were to die in it we would go to heaven.
@BernalinTui@AMDG_Derek How about stick to one issue instead of shotgunning it and ignoring the Bible!
Ya know for being one of those Bible only people, you sure ignore it quite a lot!
@BernalinTui@AMDG_Derek "So you are not saved" that is a twisting of my words, I never said I wasn't only that I can not presume β back by the Bible mind you
John 20:23 specifically says priests can forgive.
Hebrews 5:14 on my conscious and God working through that with my cooperation
@BernalinTui@AMDG_Derek Do not presume nor be proud
"So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don't fall!" - 1 Corinthians" 10:12
"No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize." - 1 Corinthians 9:27
@BernalinTui@AMDG_Derek Do not presume and do not despair.
If we knew with 100% percent certainty that we were in a state of grace that could lead to pride.
However I have a high degree of confidence that I would end up in heaven, as I've received absolution and have no mortal sin on my conscious.
@BernalinTui@AMDG_Derek Catholicism teaches that only God's grace is salvific free gift. One must cooperate with grace to remain in it. "If you love me, you will obey what I command."- John 14:15 "He will punish those who ... do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus."- 2 Thessalonians 1:8
It's disturbing and awful how many Protestants think Catholics are taught not to pray directly to Jesus.
We EAT GOD (Eucharist)
Sit and adore Him directly (Adoration)
Say the Our Father at Mass & in the rosary
Do the Sign Of The Cross frequently
etc
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@Wardance68@_ZacharyMiller@josephnollasj "I said provide Scripture," Scripture itself gives a Church for authority, Scripture itself says to look further than just a shallow face-value reading
@Wardance68@_ZacharyMiller@josephnollasj # Oral tradition (think who could possible be given and preserve authority throughout time? The Church Christ established of course)
"Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle." 2 Thessalonians 2:14 -DouayR