Itâs hard to know because the Census doesnât collect legal-status data. My personal guess is around 10% without lawful status, whether from entering illegally or overstaying a visaâbut thatâs just my estimate. And âbenefit of the doubtâ? An ICE arrest is not a deportation. There still has to be a legal basis for removal. If someone can establish lawful status and thereâs no other ground making them removable, they arenât simply deported because ICE detained them.
@T_BUFF_JR@WPLGLocal10 âNon-citizenâ does not mean âillegal immigrant,â and it certainly doesnât mean âdeportable.â That category includes lawful permanent residents, visa holders and others legally in the country. You canât take a 38% non-citizen figure and pretend 38% of Doral is about to be removed.
Impressive. In just a few replies, youâve invented my immigration history, a fake marriage, a crime, and now an argument I never made about âmost Venezuelans.â Donât bother waiting for another reply. Just keep writing both sides of the conversation in your headâyou clearly donât need facts, or me, for any of it.
@cramos1705@haleyngreen___@WPLGLocal10 Your debating method is adorable: invent a story, demand I deny it, then treat my refusal to entertain your fantasy as proof. By that logic, I could accuse you of anything and declare your silence a confession. That isnât reasoningâitâs intellectual bankruptcy with a keyboard.
@cramos1705@haleyngreen___@WPLGLocal10 Think about what youâre actually saying: because Iâm Venezuelan, you assume I couldnât possibly have earned legal residency without fraud. Thatâs not an argumentâitâs an insulting stereotype about Venezuelan immigrants.
So now being Venezuelan requires ideological obedience? Iâm supposed to support illegal immigration because we share a birthplace? No. I followed the law, became an American, and formed my own opinions. Your invented story about my green card is just whatâs left when you have no argument.
Calling me the âworst immigrantâ because I respect the law and donât want the country overrun with people who filed fake asylum cases isnât an argument. If youâre claiming people with valid legal status are being deported simply for existing legally post the case and the facts. Iâm happy to discuss evidence, not slogans.
What you call âcrueltyâ is largely an interpretation shaped by how enforcement is framed by the media, which openly dislikes the administration. Family detention, raids and rapid removals didnât begin with Trump; they happened under Obama and before. I had to carry papers in the 90s because of constant INS (what they were called then) raids around Miami.
@roncleon@WPLGLocal10 No. I said they cannot legally vote in federal elections. Obviously someone can break that law, just as someone can break any other law. That doesnât make them an eligible voterâit makes the vote illegal.
@cramos1705@haleyngreen___@WPLGLocal10 Being Venezuelan doesnât obligate me to support illegal immigration or people with fake asylum claims. Iâm an American first, and I respect the laws of the country I chose to make my home. If that makes me a âpiece of shitâ to you, so be it.
Context matters. The last administration faced roughly 8.7M Southwest-border encounters in four yearsâvolumes CBP itself said the system wasnât resourced to handle. And many more who arrived undetected or overstayed their visas. Really bad criminals and gang members were among those who came in, even if they were a minority. Cleaning up an overwhelmed system can produce harsh-looking enforcement. You can criticize the methods, but declaring âcrueltyâ the motive is still assigning intent based on the conclusion you already hold. If it seems to you it might be on a âtotally different levelâ it is because the problem is larger than it ever has been.
That standard would implicate Obama too. Children were held behind chain-link fencing in 2014, his administration expanded family detention, detained asylum-seeking mothers and children partly for deterrence, conducted family raids, and carried out hundreds of thousands of removals annually. Critics called those practices cruel too. The existence of a harsh policy doesnât, by itself, prove cruelty was the policymakerâs motive.
This is the problem with starting from a conclusion and working backward. You already believe Millerâs motive is cruelty, so every enforcement action becomes evidence of cruelty. Information that reinforces that belief gets accepted; anything that complicates it gets dismissed. Thatâs confirmation bias, not proof of motive.
@HailComrade@wercusm@WPLGLocal10 You just proved my point. You have no documented statement that cruelty was the goal, so youâre inferring motive from policies you already oppose and a person you dislike. Youâre entitled to that interpretation, but itâs still an interpretationânot an established fact.
@HailComrade@wercusm@WPLGLocal10 Miller did push a goal of 3,000 ICE arrests a dayânot 3,000 deportations. But âcruelty is the pointâ is your interpretation, not a documented goal. What is documented: smugglers lie to migrants, exploit them for profit and abandon them on deadly routes. Thatâs real cruelty.
One exceptional case proves that an erroneous deportation can happenânot that I âwould have been deported.â In fact, your own article says a judge ruled this deportation violated a specific settlement and ordered it corrected. Youâve gone from âyou WOULD have been deportedâ to âhereâs one case where someone was wrongly deported.â Those are very different claims.
@Amboidtest@haleyngreen___@WPLGLocal10 A fake asylum claim is one built on knowingly fabricated factsâsometimes prepared by unscrupulous attorneys or consultants who know the applicant doesnât legitimately qualify but file it anyway to collect a substantial fee.
@HailComrade@wercusm@WPLGLocal10 Exactly. You donât know. Yet you were the one repeatedly stating as fact that I âwould have been deported.â Thanks for finally acknowledging it was speculation.