@si62119640@SongPilk@BeReadyAnswer@muslimorthodoxy I really do not know what kind of deceit your trying to portray right now. Jews and Christians are. I've concluded this debate already, and the other speaker as well. My conclusion stands — it's circular reasoning when compared with historicity.
@si62119640@SongPilk@BeReadyAnswer@muslimorthodoxy I'm sorry, but I have no idea where you got this doctrine of "Muslim reverts" in 10:94. It specifically outlines to go to those reading the scriptures before him. If anything, let's first assert that being a Muslim, means submitting to the will of the Arabic god.
@TECFORO@muslimorthodoxy Maybe not to "sleep" with someone. Rather, to marry someone of age 6, marry someone's wife who is apparently your adopted son.
How ironic of you to say we "kiss statues made out of rock", when you in question are the ones kissing that Blackstone.
@TECFORO@muslimorthodoxy Which you speak of; is that ordained by God himself and his original design for marriage? Are we going to overlook Genesis 2:24, and Matthew 19:4-6? There in fact are tons of these verses, depicting polygamy. Is it from God, or any prophet ordained by God?
@SongPilk@si62119640@BeReadyAnswer@muslimorthodoxy In other words, it's framework is consistent (Which I granted from the very start), and Ahistorical or circular when faced with real empirical and historical evidence.
@SongPilk@si62119640@BeReadyAnswer@muslimorthodoxy We'll rest it here. You've shown me it is internally consistent when not compared to the empirical claims it makes. But, it becomes circular once those claims are verified with historicity.
@SongPilk@si62119640@BeReadyAnswer@muslimorthodoxy Your religion truly is the religion of "yes no, if it's in the Quran, we accept it. If not, we reject it." Stop appealing to your circular theology and look at the empirical data for what it is. Don't know if you were just brought up to just believe. Anyways, "Allah knows best."
@SongPilk@si62119640@BeReadyAnswer@muslimorthodoxy And either of the options I listed below just gives more reason as to why none should consider this theology. A, just makes you deny basic historical claims. B, makes it purely circular. C, causes the Islamic Dilemma, simply because your book confirms the already corrupted books.
@SongPilk@si62119640@BeReadyAnswer@muslimorthodoxy Appealing to the framework only begs the question: where are these real books? Because if we're to play this "pick and choose" game, we can definitely conclude that; whatever lines up with your theology is correct. That is what makes it circular.
@SongPilk@si62119640@BeReadyAnswer@muslimorthodoxy We both know that the Gospels teach one and the same message: Jesus Christ was crucified (A Historical event, not Ahistorical like your circular book claims), prayed to his "Abba", and raised on the 3rd day. Denying a historical event and fact makes your belief circular enough.
@SongPilk@si62119640@BeReadyAnswer@muslimorthodoxy If you deny the "minor truths" within the same book that your Quran confirms, that makes it circular. The only options we have are
A. Your Jesus is not the historical Jesus we know.
B. You only appeal to what is within your theology.
C. We do have those corrupted books.
Choose.
@SongPilk@si62119640@BeReadyAnswer@muslimorthodoxy That's not my argument, young man. Stop trying to circle around here. These same books are confirmed by your Quran. When tested with the empirical data (manuscripts) we have, it contradicts its own very claims while affirming it.