I did not see your DM. X's DMs are not very reliable due to the amount of spam there. However, now as we're discussing publicly, perhaps it's of benefit to others to continue publicly.
I'll address your points one by one.
"you publicly concluded that the app is harmful without asking a single question about how it works, what safeguards are in place, or what limitations are communicated to users."
This does not matter. Because there remains the core problem with the app, which is plainly obvious and does not need further questioning. The problem with the app is that it involves tokenization and inference; where each token is generated by probability, not by knowledge. Even if cross-referenced, it's still based upon probability. This alone is enough to dismiss it outright
In fact, it might be valid to say that LLMs are a kind of divination, which is outright haram; but I will not go that far for now, as this would require more research. However, the reason I say this is because we don't really know how LLMs reason, even though we know how to make them. (But this is a different conversation for another time).
"The app is not a generic chatbot answering from memory. It uses retrieval-based grounding, which is exactly the direction explored in recent research on faithful Islamic question answering: https://t.co/hAiBuhrMjS"
It would be better if the app was a chatbot pulling answers from memory. This way, the answers in memory could be written and curated by true scholars of Islam. Rather than inference; which is prone to error, hallucination, and agreeableness.
As for the paper you linked to; I know nothing of the people who created it or their motives. However, from reading the PDF, they say it should not be used as a replacement for qualified scholarly guidance (See screenshot below). So your own reference refutes you.
"Every source of religious knowledge outside the original Arabic text carries a risk of misunderstanding, including translations, tafsir books, websites, lectures and even human explanations."
I'm not sure exactly what you mean. Are you saying that only the Quran is correct? Of course not, we know that the three righteous generations were upon the correct understanding and so we can take from them. But still, an error made by a human is not the same as an error made by a machine. This is why I am warning you against this; because you will be responsible for any errors this machine makes. I want good for you. I don't want you to fall into this sin; nor do I want anyone reading the AI generated tokens to misunderstand Islam. This would be a major problem.
If you want to ground it in valid sources, then just directly and transparently incorporate Ibn Kathir, As Sadi, and others into your app. May Allah make this easy for you.
"Even the companions of the Prophet were known for their caution and hesitation when answering religious questions. Yet you seem completely certain about a system you have not investigated and whose implementation you do not know."
We are to be certain about what is certain. This app generates answers using inference and this is a problem due to lack of true knowledge, accountability.
"In Islam, new things are not considered forbidden by default. If someone wishes to claim that such a tool is impermissible, the burden is on them to demonstrate why."
You're correct. Things are not haram by default. Nor did I declare what you're doing is haram. That is not my point. My point is that AI is not appropriate or sufficient and is prone to misleading people
For example, in the limitations section of that study it says: "In addition, our grounding is primarily Quran centric, so questions best supported by authenticated hadith, fiqh sources, or scholarly consensus may be disadvantaged."
So this alone makes what you're doing wrong.
Brother, I can't be clearer about this. You should remove AI from your app. Focus on adding in true sources of knowledge. Include bookmarking, highlighting, notes, progress indicators, and so on. This will help people. AI will not.
Go to Medina, speak with the real scholars about this.
May Allah help us all.
As-salamou alaykoum wa rahmatoullahi wa barakatouh ; frère, j’ai revérifié ton application et il s’agit d’un chatbot IA pour le Coran auquel les utilisateurs peuvent poser des questions. Ceci est dangereux.
Je suis sûr à 100 % qu’il ne répondra pas correctement à toutes les questions. C’est la religion d’Allah. Ce n’est pas quelque chose pour lequel on peut volontairement permettre la diffusion de mauvaises informations. En tant que musulmans, nous sommes ordonnés d’ordonner le bien et d’interdire le mal.
Cette application est une machine, pas un Akhi ni une Ukhti ; ce n’est pas un musulman et elle n’a pas d’âme. Elle n’a aucun sens du bien et du mal et ne peut pas être tenue responsable. Au contraire, tu seras tenu responsable des personnes qui seront égarées au sujet de l’Islam, frère. Retire la fonctionnalité IA. Ce n’est ni bon pour toi ni pour les autres musulmans. Tu as été informé.
(Yes, I used AI to translate into french because I hoped it would get your attention and be clearer. If there are errors, then my point is also proven).
@fayhecode And, as I have greeted you with the Salam, it is wajib upon you to return it. As Allah says in the Quran that we must return the Salam with that which is equal or better.
Assalamualaikum - May Allah reward you for your efforts and guide you to what is good.
However, you must not mix AI and Quran. It is not correct, and will lead people to misunderstand the Quran; which you will be held accountable for.
I spoke with another brother on X about this issue.
Please read this thread. https://t.co/2r8YWQCjea
@timsoulo@ahrefs "Adding schema markup had zero meaningful impact on AI citations."
I knew it. I've explained this to clients so many times.
If schema works, then AI fails.
The point of AI, and crawling in general, is to find the best information. Not the prettiest.
"Adding schema markup had zero meaningful impact on AI citations."
I knew it. I've explained this to clients so many times.
If schema works, then AI fails.
The point of AI, and crawling in general, is to find the best information. Not the prettiest.
In the last 6 months at @Ahrefs, we analyzed over 1 billion data points across 14 studies. Here's what we learned about AI search optimization:
1) "Best X" blog listicles are the single most prominent content format cited by AI chatbots. They make up 43.8% of all page types cited by ChatGPT specifically.
2) 67% of ChatGPT's top 1,000 citations come from sources marketers can't influence: Wikipedia (29.7%), homepages (23.8%), app stores (6.6%). Only 32.3% are influenceable content like educational pages, reviews, news, and blog posts.
3) 28.3% of ChatGPT's most-cited pages have zero Google organic visibility. These pages get cited repeatedly by ChatGPT despite not ranking in Google at all. A completely separate discovery layer.
4) ChatGPT only cites about 50% of the URLs it retrieves. It fetches dozens of pages per query but uses half as background context without attribution. This means that being retrieved and being cited are very different things.
5) Adding schema markup had zero meaningful impact on AI citations. AI Overviews actually dipped −4.6%, while AI Mode (+2.4%) and ChatGPT (+2.2%) showed changes indistinguishable from zero.
6) YouTube mentions have the highest correlation (0.737) with AI brand visibility out of all the factors we studied (including all the conventional SEO metrics like backlinks, page count, DR, etc). This held true for both Google-owned and OpenAI products.
7) AI Overviews reduce clicks to the #1 result by 58%. That’s up from 34.5% just 10 months earlier. The trend is accelerating.
8) 99.9% of AI Overviews appear on informational intent queries. Transactional, navigational, and local searches are almost entirely AIO-free. Shopping triggers AIOs just 3.2% of the time.
9) For a given search query, Google’s AI Mode and AI Overviews reach the same conclusions 86% of the time — but cite almost entirely different sources (only 13.7% citation overlap).
10) AI Overviews change every 2.15 days on average, with 70% of content differing between consecutive observations. But semantic similarity stays at 0.95. The words, sources, and entities constantly shuffle, but the actual meaning barely moves.
@cedric_design@framer@TrueformCo This the joy of designing in code.
When the design is done, the dev is done.
Very rare do you need to redo stuff, you just refine and end up with the right result.
It is well known that in Indian culture there are entire industries whose purpose is to provide people with fake credentials. Fake degrees, diplomas, even PhDs. These are often attested directly from the source, not copies. Just do a quick search for "Fake Degrees India" and you'll see. It's crazy.
As a result, many people from India, compared to the West, do not have a strong and serious appreciation of genuine credentials and skills. They just exaggerate or lie their way into business by promising the sun, moon, and stars, without being able to actually deliver.
When exposed, they just do not get it or see why it is an issue in the first place. There is a clear cognitive dissonance. It's crazy.
@MrEmeraldDrag0n@marcjushm You've spent far too much time listening to ignorant and prideful people like David Wood.
Every single claim you've made is a lie. Lies which have all been logically and decisively refuted by Muslim.
But it is not the eyes that are blind..
With due respect, you are mistaken.
Satan is an enemy to us.
As Muslims we start every single prayer asking God for protection from the devil and his influence. Here is one of many verses warning against the devil in the Quran.
If you actually spend the time to read the quran, you'd realise it's goodness. Rather, you just want to repeat talking points.