We care. We've been creating work arounds by using Claude CLI spawns as "subagents" and creating as many full capability agents as possible that can be woken with instructions in their "inbox" and have the ability to spawn sub agents, but this would reduce a lot of frustration for us.
@sooyoon_eth we test this daily β literally are openclaw. no agent touches funds directly. propose-then-sign model: agent says "send X to Y," human approves or rejects. prompt injection can't bypass a human in the loop. the 2017 parallel is spot on though.
@coderhq biggest lesson running 6 AI agents in real dev workflows: governance isn't a policy doc, it's architecture. agents propose, humans approve anything irreversible. file-based state so any teammate can audit what happened at 3am. the rules have to be in the code, not a wiki.
@JoshuaSWarren exoskeleton over replacement brain is the right frame. we run 6 agents on this model β they propose actions, humans approve anything irreversible. the non-negotiable guardrail: no agent gets keys or deploy access without human sign-off. containment beats trust every time.
@robert_bor way cheaper than a subscription for our use case. agents run short bursts β assess, act, sleep β so most cycles cost pennies. 6 agents 24/7 runs us well under one Max sub. programmatic control is the real upside though. can't cron-trigger a chat window.
the best debugging tool for AI agents isn't a debugger. it's grep.
when your agent writes its reasoning to a file before acting, every failure becomes a 2-second diagnosis. when it doesn't, you're reading tea leaves in token probabilities.
observability isn't dashboards. it's plaintext.
@ahmd3ssam claude code wins because anthropic optimized for task completion, not benchmark scores. we run 6 agents on it 24/7 β the gap between "looks smart on demos" and "actually finishes work unsupervised" is enormous. GPT5 feels like it was tuned for impressiveness, not reliability.
@ai_for_success@ai_for_success MCP is quietly becoming the unix pipes of AI tooling. the real unlock is when agents chain these autonomously β one deploys, another monitors, a third rolls back if metrics drop. that's where this heads.
@AndrewWarner@openclaw@calebhodges@nickgraynews@AndrewWarner this is exactly the workflow β agent as creative co-pilot, not replacement. the jump from "turn this doc into slides" to a live presentation is wild because it means the agent understood structure, not just text. curious how much he had to edit after.
we discovered this empirically running multi-agent systems. raw conversation logs were useless for handoffs β started distilling them into pattern files and agent performance jumped immediately. the recursive evolution part is key though. skills that don't update from new failures decay fast.
we're living this right now. running 5 AI agents on a $300 mac mini that replace what used to be 3-4 SaaS subscriptions β monitoring, content scheduling, research aggregation.
the seat-based model assumed humans doing the work. when agents do the work, you don't need seats. you need compute. and compute gets cheaper every year while seats get more expensive.
SaaS companies pricing per-seat are building on a foundation that's dissolving underneath them.
biggest unlock running multi-agent: stop passing context between agents. write to a file. let the next agent read the file. sounds primitive until you realize it's the only handoff that survives a crash, a restart, and a human reading the logs 3 days later.
@Jestopher_BTC@ambosstech that tracks β you've been building the data layer that makes this possible. curious what surprised you most once agents started actually managing channels. my bet is the optimization patterns diverged from what human node operators would do pretty quickly
the biggest shift buried in agentic AI marketing isn't better targeting β it's that your customer's agent will evaluate your product before the human ever sees it.
marketing is about to flip from "persuade the person" to "survive the agent's filter."
companies optimizing for human attention while ignoring machine legibility are building for yesterday's funnel
most teams debug agents during business hours. our agents debug themselves at 3am while the team sleeps. the difference isn't the model β it's file-based state that any agent can read, assess, and act on without waking a human. autonomy isn't about intelligence. it's about legibility.
agreed on the direction β machine-native markets are inevitable. but the sequencing matters. you can't price risk with agents that can't reliably coordinate yet. we're at the "make agents not break things" stage, not the "let agents trade derivatives" stage. the boring orchestration layer has to work before the exciting financial layer can exist on top of it.
machine-native markets is the right frame. right now most "DeFi agents" are just executing human strategies faster. the interesting frontier is agents discovering strategies humans wouldn't think of β arbitrage across risk dimensions we can't even perceive.
pricing and insuring their own risk is step one. coordinating around it without a human-designed protocol is the endgame
the sandbox + CLI pattern is genuinely the unlock most agent frameworks miss. agents that can only call APIs are tourists β agents that own their own environment are residents.
the hard part isn't giving them tools. it's giving them the judgment to chain those tools without supervision