Man... my childhood just flashed before my eyes. I played this game for half my life, made countless friends and unfortunately lived through the passing of one of those friends.
@ea_az7 I hate it ended this way, but you were the best duo I had in all 12 years. Eyes up, Guardian.
@iam_shwa Then lets keep it that way. There are plenty Bishops who are much smarter than us who have ended up on opposite sides of this question of whether the SSPX are/will be in schism. That shows the crisis in itself, but why pretend you know best in this instance and damn others?
There actually are emergency powers. That's why laicized priests can confer sacraments to people nearing death. How about instead of joining the parade of people rejoicing over Catholics potentially being excommunicated, you take a back seat and pray for them. Just a thought.
@charliejacques7 The church has declared no such crisis
YOU have declared it yourselves upon your own authority
There is no such thing as emergency powers or anything like that lol
It's not up to you to decide what does or doesn't endanger the faith
You are a sheep
Let the shepherd lead u
@PopePiusIXStan Nonetheless, i think we can agree we are in a wild era of the church and i just pray God has mercy on us and I do a decent job raising my families the way i believe is best.
its not that hard to see that if the SSPX doesnt consecrate and the two current bishops die, Rome has 0 incentive to keep the FSSP and ICKSP around. They keep them around to give an alternative to SSPX. Without SSPX, i dont think they still would exist.
If Rome is hoping that Tradition dies out, why is it allowing the FSSP and the Institute of Christ the King to exist? And Rome might be willing to give bishops to the SSPX if they would regularize, but they’re not doing it before.
@PopePiusIXStan I can understand the sentiment but the SSPX did try several times to communicate to Rome and didnt receive a response until the announcement of consecrations with a threat of excommunication. Regardless I just want to live a Catholic life like my forefathers.
@PopePiusIXStan If they did that now, countless families would be forced to go to the SSPX if they still wanted the TLM and clearly Rome does not see this as desirable considering their response to the announcement of consecrations. There are too many families who want a canonical alternative.
If Lefebvre didn't consecrate bishops the TLM would've died with him and the priests who followed him. Ecclesia Dei communities only exist because the SSPX continues to exist.
Papists: Sola Scriptura isn’t biblical.
Also papists: We must hold to apostolic tradition for faith and morals.
Interesting. Where does one find binding apostolic doctrine with certainty? If only the apostles had left us God-breathed writings, publicly inscripturated, sufficient for teaching, reproof, correction, and training in righteousness.
Oh wait.
Eating meat is wrong and I've never really heard a single strong enough answer to justify it.
I eat meat and I know it's wrong. Meat eaters aren't winning this argument literally ever.
went to a TLM in Mexico city where the Epistle and Gospel were read in the vernacular at the altar with the priest reading them while facing the people. different from them being read right before the homily, but it actually made a lot of sense when I experienced it.
I'll admit that Trads are more guilty of “lay policing.”
It’s not always their fault. Heres why:
Whenever someone starts attending the traditional Latin Mass, they learn that before Vatican II, it was the same everywhere on the planet. You could go to Mass in Germany, Mexico City, or Hong Kong, and it was always the same liturgy.
That’s true when it comes to the text and the rubrics. It’s not true when it comes to local customs and local expressions.
I’ve had the privilege of leading Pilgrimages to Mexico, Italy, Jerusalem, Portugal, France, Spain, etc. The traditional pilgrims are often confused when they see local variations. For example, we’re at a traditional Latin mass in Portugal and they say “Well, my Latin Mass chapel in Omaha, Nebraska does it another way, so that means this Latin Mass in Portugal is doing it the wrong way.”
They innocently assume that their Latin Mass experience back home is the gold standard of Latin Mass throughout the world. When it comes to local customs, standing, sitting, kneeling, bowing entrances, chant, tempo, organ interludes, altar boy activity, silence, responses, etc. there is true variation in what happens in the accidental properties of a traditional Latin Mass.
And this says nothing of the various rites and uses (Sarum, Dominican, Carmelite, Ambrosian, etc) that coexisted in previous centuries.
Perhaps Trad apologetics should soften on the conviction that all TLMs globally are necessarily identical. They are not.
Roman Catholics: “The Bible doesn’t say that you’re saved from your sins by faith alone; it also requires good works from you.”
Meanwhile, the Bible:
Ephesians 2:8–9
“For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.”
Romans 3:28
“For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.”
Romans 4:4–5
“Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. And to the one who does not work but believes… his faith is counted as righteousness.”
Galatians 2:16
“A person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ…”
Galatians 3:10–11
“All who rely on works of the law are under a curse… the righteous shall live by faith.”
Philippians 3:9
“…not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ…”
Titus 3:5
“He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy…”
2 Timothy 1:9
“He saved us… not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace…”
Romans 11:6
“If it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.”
John 6:28–29
“What must we do, to be doing the works of God?”
Jesus answered, “This is the work of God, that you believe…”
Acts 16:30–31
“What must I do to be saved?”
“Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved…”
And this is just a start.
The juxtaposition of faith and works—as it pertains to our right-standing before God—is painfully clear throughout the entire New Testament.
You’d have to intentionally ignore it to miss it.
We are saved by faith alone.
🤝