@BraedenSorbo@SimpPolice911 Agree 100%.
An annulment may be granted if a spouse lied about their past to obtain consent to the marriage (fraud) or concealed a serious issue. According to Canon 1098, this fraud must involve a quality that, by its nature, seriously disrupts the partnership of conjugal life.
@Stories4Satoshi Fair enough. I think we would agree that those who marry and have the ability to procreate, but steadfastly refuse to do so because ‘lifestyle’ (or something)… yes, there is great selfishness in those instances.
@BrycenLanager@archeosophy@Kherstyy They certainly can be redeemed; but they themselves have to come to recognize the depth of their sin, the damage it has caused, and sincerely repent and resolve to live differently.
The "group effort" can help lead the horse to water; it can't make her drink.
@dlongenecker1 Catholicism is hard mode; Protestantism is easy mode.
When playing a video game, stepping up the difficulty to hard mode is an act of agency.
Conversely, starting the game on hard mode and either struggling, or observing those cheating hard mode, will cause resentment.
@AndromedaAMDG@Nero@dcrosaryrally Interpretations may vary, but if one spouse willfully withheld information from the other spouse that, if known, would have prevented the other spouse from consenting to the marriage, then yes it may be possible grounds for an annulment.
Specific facts of the case will matter.
@AndromedaAMDG@Nero@dcrosaryrally "A person contracts invalidly who enters into a marriage deceived by malice, perpetrated to obtain consent, concerning some quality of the other partner which by its very nature can gravely disturb the partnership of conjugal life."
-CCC Can. 1098
@GiaMMacool I had a great dating experience recently with a woman who doesn't share my Catholic faith (the values clash around marriage / kids was why it ended); but she was unabashedly honest about who she was and what she was about. That quality is attractive, and rare.
@archeosophy@Kherstyy Difficult to impose rules on a woman that has spent her life lacking for self-control and being validated and rewarded for it.
Too many women have made themselves un-marriageable, and no amount of good male leadership is going to change that once the damage has been done.
@TridentineBrew@Catholicizm1 As a single Catholic who has saved himself for marriage, stories like this are incredibly depressing and disheartening.
I know there are good women out there. But one can forgive good single men for surveying the dating landscape and being tempted to check out entirely.
@SocratesTheChad@venom1s It would be similar to sale of a major asset - a home, for example - where a judge determines that certain criteria were not met (e.g. consent of the seller, or meeting legal requirements to sell) to constitute a valid sale; and thus voids the transaction with legal force.
@SocratesTheChad@venom1s Divorce is not allowed if a marriage is valid.
An annulment is a legal ruling that the ‘marriage’ did not meet necessary criteria - sufficient maturity, freedom to consent, psychological capacity, and an understanding of nature of Catholic marriage - thus, it was never valid.
@FrMatthewLC 3) Unless one is fortunate enough to inherit family wealth, young people will not be able to contribute to society in the same way their parents did.
Abundance creates more optionality for generosity; but the young won’t have it later in life like their parents did.
@FrMatthewLC 2) To a lot of young people, the Boomers benefitted from perhaps the most structurally favorable economic situation in all of world history; but then pulled up the ladder behind them, creating a world that structurally serves their interest at the expense of future generations.