Andrew Likoudis

Catholic || FranciscanU Grad Alum || Research Foundation Pres. || Editor of 10 books, on the papacy, tradition, & reform || Views are my own

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@pluant No it didn’t, you just don’t know how to read, clearly.

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@pluant Seems you don’t know how to read. The GIRM literally repeats what I said about uniformity of posture and eschewing subjective preference.

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@WalkingHymnal @pluant The most traditional practice of the rite is standing, which occurred for 800 years before kneeling was introduced.

I haven’t made anything up. I’ve provided citations for all my claims throughout my two articles, which, two members of the DDW commended me on for publishing.

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Yes they are.

“42. The gestures and bodily posture of both the Priest, the Deacon, and the ministers, and also of the people, must be conducive to making the entire celebration resplendent with beauty and noble simplicity, to making clear the true and full meaning of its different parts, and to fostering the participation of all.[52] Attention must therefore be paid to what is determined by this General Instruction and by the traditional practice of the Roman Rite and to what serves the common spiritual good of the People of God, rather than private inclination or arbitrary choice.

A common bodily posture, to be observed by all those taking part, is a sign of the unity of the members of the Christian community gathered together for the Sacred Liturgy, for it expresses the intentions and spiritual attitude of the participants and also fosters them.”

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@pluant Never said it was “wrong.”

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Yes, the faithful are free to choose what they like, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t an ideal which the Church would prefer.

And no, universal law doesn’t simply override particular law. The Church operates by the principle of subsidiarity and has delegated real authority to the episcopal conferences of various territories, which is binding on the faithful.

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@pluant I’ve never said people aren’t allowed to kneel, only that they are exhorted to stand. And that putting private preference above uniformity of sign is a deficiency in value judgment.

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Leo hasn’t addressed this.

The GIRM states:

42. The gestures and bodily posture of both the Priest, the Deacon, and the ministers, and also of the people, must be conducive to making the entire celebration resplendent with beauty and noble simplicity, to making clear the true and full meaning of its different parts, and to fostering the participation of all.[52] Attention must therefore be paid to what is determined by this General Instruction and by the traditional practice of the Roman Rite and to what serves the common spiritual good of the People of God, rather than private inclination or arbitrary choice.

A common bodily posture, to be observed by all those taking part, is a sign of the unity of the members of the Christian community gathered together for the Sacred Liturgy, for it expresses the intentions and spiritual attitude of the participants and also fosters them.

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@RobertWeidner11 @yeacolyte @pluant The norm isn’t determined by history, it’s determined by magisterial authority.

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When it comes to posture specifically, the GIRM says the faithful of a territory should adopt a single posture.

GIRM 42 states:

42. The gestures and bodily posture of both the Priest, the Deacon, and the ministers, and also of the people, must be conducive to making the entire celebration resplendent with beauty and noble simplicity, to making clear the true and full meaning of its different parts, and to fostering the participation of all.[52] Attention must therefore be paid to what is determined by this General Instruction and by the traditional practice of the Roman Rite and to what serves the common spiritual good of the People of God, rather than private inclination or arbitrary choice.

A common bodily posture, to be observed by all those taking part, is a sign of the unity of the members of the Christian community gathered together for the Sacred Liturgy, for it expresses the intentions and spiritual attitude of the participants and also fosters them.

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He’s acting contrary to the liturgical uniformity that the GIRM recommends, and the norm which is standing—unless one decides to kneel, which is an exception clause and not the norm itself. It’s phrased as an exception only in the US GIRM, whereas the GIRMS elsewhere put them on parity.

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@yeacolyte @pluant The GIRM isn’t a theological text. It’s an instruction. The makers of the GIRM however, explain it in their works.

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@Brownson_Review @pluant I explain that in my article.

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@yeacolyte @pluant Yeah, there are places for kneeling in the Mass and during adoration. No one said any differently. During the moment of reception of communion specifically though, in the US standing is the norm, and theologically has a stronger basis.

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@christian_state @pluant You’d have to check the local GIRM. As far as I can tell, the norm in Australia is either kneeling or standing, whereas in the US, standing is the norm, with a mere exception for kneeling.

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@pluant Never said there was anything wrong with it. I think standing is more fitting, and in the US, the norm is standing and the GIRM instructs us to enact a uniformity of posture within our Churches as a symbol of unity.

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@thelb236 @M_P_Hazell The norm is different in Sydney, where this Archbishop ministers. In the US, standing is clearly preferable. https://t.co/0CaMo9Lnu8

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@father_rmv While the norm is different in Sydney, I actually think a case can be made in the opposite direction, though I respect the Bishop’s decision to minister as he wishes in his own territory. https://t.co/0CaMo9Lnu8