What an incredible story. It's recounted from Augustine's perspective at the very end of City of God 22.8, but I didn't realize that it's also preserved in his sermons. Sermon 322 is Paul's account of his own healing, and 323 is Augustine's sermon interrupted by Palladia's.
@AbreoPhill87881 Yes, see Romans 9
The second half of excerpt you posted from Cassian is not good. It’s possible though to condemn what he wrote here while not condemning the man, such as how someone like Pope Gregory would have viewed it
Deleted last post because it was already getting picked up by pelagian orthobros and it’s simply not my fight to have anymore. If you can’t agree that the statement “every human is born pure, as Adam was” is wrong, there’s nothing to discuss
@AbreoPhill87881 Calvin sounds Augustinian at times*
I’m not sure you’re adequately distinguishing Pelagianism and semi. Every EO saint I’ve read who actually comments on this clearly says semi-Pelagianism was wrong
@AbreoPhill87881 Cassian was semi Pelagianism. Most of the early eastern fathers could be twisted to fit that paradigm but I wouldn’t label Gregory as that
Good point. EO get dumped on for rejecting the atonement, and in a way that’s reasonable since so many make it a cornerstone of their system. However Lavender Protestants and many Catholics also deny penal substitution, just generally without all the mystical mumbo jumbo
The doctrine of penal substitution is thoroughly biblical and Patristic. If and when Calvin echoes it, he shouldn’t be shamed. As for people denying this, it has a long history of controversy but I have never seen it disputed until the era of post enlightenment theologians . Unfortunately, it has spilled major influence in modern Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant circles
St. Fulgentius on original sin:
If some people try to claim that death alone (and not sin as well) has passed from the first man to the human race, it is a wonder that they do not understand in what nets their opinions are entangled. They imply that God is unjust inasmuch
@FChristopher77 This is extremely legalistic, (ironic given where this is coming from). Also for those who die in a state of grace guilt is totally blotted out and the smallest grace given good deed is united to Christ’s infinite merit such that none can bring any charge against them
@gianlucadiddio@inconnu0connu@TheOrthoEnsign That’s a very odd statement tbh. I’m not sure how I’ve posted any thing that shows I “loathe” Catholicism. Harshest things I’ve ever said have regarded statements made by the present magisterium
Was subjected to one of the worst, most hopeless homilies I’ve ever heard today. I’ve recently been thinking how much I appreciate the Protestant focus on centering assurance of salvation in Christ our High Priest who stands for us at the right hand of God. Very apt timing
@AUGUSTINUSMAXIM@TheOrthoEnsign I’m not optimistic that the number of elect outweighs the damned but no I’m also not a fan of “private revelation” about millions of souls falling into hell as snow flakes and all that. I think we’ll probably be surprised who is saved at the end
@TheOrthoEnsign ROCOR priest. I doubt he has bad intentions and is likely just a poor communicator, but was still hard to believe he could have just read the scripture from Galatians about justification by faith and then say all this hopeless stuff
@TheOrthoEnsign eventually forgive you but the timing of this is a mystery, the lives of the saints are the single most important thing you should read, random recounting of the tale about St Varus. It was just a bunch of things that added up to paint a pretty bleak picture without any solution
Mother of God: yes
Perpetual Virgin: yes
New Eve: yes
Ark of the New Covenant: yes
Mother of the Church: yes
Immaculate Conception: yes
Bodily Assumption: yes after dormition
Queen of Heaven: yes
Mediatrix of all graces: yes
Co-Redemptrix: if nooanced