@seotennietang Also, be careful with the naturalist argument. It works if you use it to debunk homophobes' "unnatural" claim. But it can backfire if you use it to justify homosexuality.
@seotennietang You see, that's the thing. Their reasoning is always secular first ("It's unnatural and pedophilic") and theological last ("god says it's wrong").
So if they never really believe, or have lost belief in god. Their secular reasoning (as insane as it is) still exists.
@randomhuman511@delulugirl61138@corxcx Also m8, don't use the naturalist argument. It doesn't work when homophobes use it, and it definitely won't work when progressives use it.
@randomhuman511@delulugirl61138@corxcx Religion doesn't just dictate it out of nowhere. I think you're being a bit naive about how religion works: Man influences religion just as, if not more than, religion influences man. What drives people to put homophobia into religion will still drive them even without religion.
@randomhuman511@delulugirl61138@corxcx Not really, every homophobe's excuse (even religious ones) is always first and foremost secular. It's always "It's unnatural and pedophilic" first, over "God hates it".