The question “How many gods died on the cross?” is a classic loaded question (complex question fallacy).
It smuggles in false presuppositions: that Christianity believes in multiple “gods,” or that “God” died.
Reality: Christian theology (Trinity + Incarnation) teaches Christ’s divine nature is eternal and cannot die. Only His human nature experienced death on the cross.
Answering with a number (“One” or “Zero”) accepts the skeptic’s distorted framing.
Better reply: “This assumes a misunderstanding of the Trinity. The divine Son didn’t die—His human nature did.”
Exposes the straw man and equivocation.
Also, The "Did God die?" argument doesn't refute the Trinity because it applies to any theology where a deity takes human form. Even if a strictly one-person God manifested in flesh and was killed, the answer is the exact same: the eternal spirit didn't die, only the physical body did. Because this reality applies to any incarnation, it fails as a unique attack on the Trinity.
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The question “How many gods died on the cross?” is a classic loaded question (complex question fallacy).
It smuggles in false presuppositions: that Christianity believes in multiple “gods,” or that “God” died.
Reality: Christian theology (Trinity + Incarnation) teaches Christ’s divine nature is eternal and cannot die. Only His human nature experienced death on the cross.
Answering with a number (“One” or “Zero”) accepts the skeptic’s distorted framing.
Better reply: “This assumes a misunderstanding of the Trinity. The divine Son didn’t die—His human nature did.”
Exposes the straw man and equivocation.
@TheDeenShow Muslims will cite a hadith written about 200 years after Muhammad died as if it is good as gold, and then tell you we can’t trust the gospels written a few decades after Jesus.
@_Maverick143_@InspiringPhilos This argument doesn’t actually refute the Trinity. Imagine if a strictly 1-person God (no Trinity) manifested in a human body and was killed. Did God die? No, the eternal spirit lived; only the body died. Since this applies to ANY incarnation, the critique completely fails.
IP is this supposed to refute the Trinity?
This doesn't refute the Trinity since it can be applied to a oneness god, like Allah. The most devastating counter-argument is showing that this is not a unique problem for Trinitarians. It is a universal dilemma for any theology that allows a divine being to manifest in human flesh—even a "Unitarian" or single-person deity. The Conceptual Framework to Present: Imagine a hypothetical religion that believes in exactly one God who is strictly one person (no Trinity). If that one person decides to manifest on Earth by taking on a true human body, and that human body is later attacked and killed, what is the conclusion? Did their "one God" die? No, the eternal spirit of that God is still alive. Did anything die? Yes, the physical human body died. If the critic asks that hypothetical person, "How many gods died?", they would have to give the exact same answer: "God didn't die; His human body did." Because this logical reality applies to any model of an incarnation, the question completely fails as a specific refutation of the Trinity.
@LauraLoomer I wonder if he is ever going to realize that they are a bunch of liars and will never agree to give up the enriched uranium?
He strikes them hard then they say, please stop. Then he says ok
Then back to never accepting the deal.
Good grief man, wake up!
Pray for the Muslims who joined the livestream today. One of them renounced Islam and accepted Christ, and one is on the fence. Pray that they come to know that Jesus is Lord and Islam is false.
As an Ex-Muslim turned Christian apologist, here is how I handle almost every Muslim objection:
Stop playing theological whack-a-mole with Islam. It will be fruitless.
When I debate Muslims, I don’t start with the Trinity.
I'm not starting with original sin.
I'm not starting with "How can God have a Son?"
I start with one question:
Is the Bible the revelation of God, or not?
Because every other debate comes after that.
I believe in the Trinity because the Bible teaches it, I believe in original sin because the Bible teaches it and I believe Jesus is the Son of God because the Bible teaches it.
Muslims believe the same about the Quran. They believe Islam because the Quran tells them to.
That's the real issue that so many Christians miss.
Why spend hours arguing doctrine when the deeper question is: Which book actually comes from God?
If the Bible is historically reliable and divinely inspired, then most objections disappear before they even begin.
You can debate theology forever, but if we're reading from different books with different authorities, we're never getting to the root of the issue.
Settle the Book issue first.
Then the conversation stops being an argument.
It becomes a Bible study.