Istari

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[Istari @BigWizard40]

Being a plan truster is paying off all the time.

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@gravesense @lerrieadesy_lm @Hollywood7300 @TemiXo_1 Why?

[Istari @BigWizard40]

@pixelottie @ChubbsOnlyy @lerrieadesy_lm @Hollywood7300 @TemiXo_1 We’re talking about morality, as in what ought to be, what’s right and what’s wrong. If there is no objective moral law then all of this is pointless and we’re just essentially sharing opinions. “I believe X” means nothing if there’s no substance to it.

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@pixelottie @ChubbsOnlyy @lerrieadesy_lm @Hollywood7300 @TemiXo_1 If morality is subjective then nobody has a “right” to their own body and you have no room to say that someone using another person’s body without consent is wrong. You can’t make moral claims and then backpedal into relativism when challenged on them. Thats a lazy cop out.

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@Maehemm_ @lerrieadesy_lm @Hollywood7300 @TemiXo_1 It’s a figurative analogy. They don’t need to perfectly align in every facet. My point is that having the free will to perform a given action does not equate to ethical justification for that action.

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@HidreMeg @lerrieadesy_lm @Hollywood7300 @TemiXo_1 “License” as in freedom to perform a given action.

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@pixelottie @ChubbsOnlyy @lerrieadesy_lm @Hollywood7300 @TemiXo_1 There is no justifiable reason to kill it. “I don’t want to give birth” is not sufficient justification to end the life of an innocent child. If morality is subjective then you have no grounds to say that forcing someone to give birth is wrong. Your argument is self defeating

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@pixelottie @ChubbsOnlyy @lerrieadesy_lm @Hollywood7300 @TemiXo_1 Yeah, so if you don’t want lung cancer don’t smoke. But you’re also equivocating the two instances when they’re categorically different. Smoking doesn’t produce a whole new human being with its own inherent dignity.

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@pixelottie @ChubbsOnlyy @lerrieadesy_lm @Hollywood7300 @TemiXo_1 And ultimately you subscribe to that worldview willingly because you’re probably a hedonist who views sex primarily as a vehicle for physical pleasure.

[Istari @BigWizard40]

@pixelottie @ChubbsOnlyy @lerrieadesy_lm @Hollywood7300 @TemiXo_1 Yes. The purpose of sex is the bearing of children. The natural consequence of sex is the conception of a child. It probably sounds foreign to you because you’ve lived your whole life with contraceptives and have had the natural consequence of sex divorced from the act itself.

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@Maehemm_ @lerrieadesy_lm @Hollywood7300 @TemiXo_1 Nature also gave you the free will to set fire to other people’s homes. Is it ok for you to do that too?

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@pixelottie @ChubbsOnlyy @lerrieadesy_lm @Hollywood7300 @TemiXo_1 The concept of “giving birth against your will” is just so foreign to me. The vast majority of abortions are completely elective and the baby came from consenting sex. If you didn’t want to get pregnant then don’t have sex.

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@Maehemm_ @lerrieadesy_lm @Hollywood7300 @TemiXo_1 Nature did not design you to be able to murder your child. Nature actually designed you to sustain life in your stomach with a whole host of specialized organs and internal processes and you’re spitting in the face of that when you have an abortion.

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@philliplede How is what he’s saying wrong?

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@pixelottie @ChubbsOnlyy @lerrieadesy_lm @Hollywood7300 @TemiXo_1 We’re not talking about what is, we’re talking about what ought to be. Pointing to the law and saying “it’s legal therefore it’s moral” renders morality completely relative and meaningless.

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@Maehemm_ @lerrieadesy_lm @Hollywood7300 @TemiXo_1 The mother should not have the authority to kill the child. That’s my whole point. Again, you can’t morally justify the murder of a child just because you don’t want to suffer.

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@gmmwells @lerrieadesy_lm @Hollywood7300 @TemiXo_1 How does taking an “independent” breath confer life? What’s the difference in personhood between a fetus who hasn’t taken a breath and one that has? Fetuses breathe amniotic fluid, does that count? And if we go with this then 5 weeks is the cutoff. Any abortion after is murder.

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@gmmwells @lerrieadesy_lm @Hollywood7300 @TemiXo_1 So why isn’t a fetus who needs the placenta and umbilical cord to breathe also an independent living human being who needs temporary support?

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@lerrieadesy_lm @In2sportz7 @Hollywood7300 @TemiXo_1 I doubt you have the intellectual rigor to have an actual opinion on the death penalty if your whole argument on abortion is “erm the law says I can so therefore it’s good.”

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@Maehemm_ @lerrieadesy_lm @Hollywood7300 @TemiXo_1 Not necessarily. In these kinds of cases you have to weigh the options. 9 months of suffering is a lesser evil and executing the child because the mother wants to be more comfortable.

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@pixelottie @ChubbsOnlyy @lerrieadesy_lm @Hollywood7300 @TemiXo_1 https://t.co/saAjozgJVE Please see above about the law as a reflection of morality.

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@lerrieadesy_lm @Hollywood7300 @TemiXo_1 “Murder” is not a legal term, it’s a moral one. The law is not a perfect reflection of what is morally good, so we cannot rely solely on it to make moral decisions. Just because something is not “legally” murder doesn’t make it not murder definitionally.