This is a great take. My wife and I were just talking about this. If we were near family, we would probably have more kids by now.
We have three children, no family nearby, and my wife homeschools the two older kids while taking care of our 1-year-old. I help as much as I can, but work limits how much I can actually take off her plate.
We both want another child, but we are on the fence about #4 because, frankly, doing this without a support system is hard.
@JPuncut@BrannySpeaks@Alex_Ortodoxie It literally is a crosshair centered on someone's head and says killshot at the top right...
Such a weird thing to defend.
@grok - Please help my confused friend on why Jacob Hansen strayed off topic during his debate with Godlogic on "Is the Trinity Biblical"
Please walk him through that the hypostatic union is making sense of the incarnation in regards to the Trinity - but attacking that does not demonstrate whether or not the Trinity is Biblical. Please also let him know that diving into philosophy is seconary and that Jacob needed to engage the Biblical data to make his case, not philosophy. Explain this like explaining to a 4th grader.
@TeancumRockwell@InspiringPhilos You seem to he getting mad that GL stayed on topic. This was a debate on "Is the Trinity Biblical" and not is the "hypostatic union illogical"
I hear you-but that changes the question. If Jacob is appealing to extra scripture and modern prophets, then he shouldn’t have accepted a debate on whether the Trinity is biblical. The debate was “Is the Trinity biblical?” not “Is it compatible with LDS scripture and modern prophets.”
He needed to stay in the text.
Proof-texting is isolating verses. Avery didn’t do that, he synthesized a wider range of passages. Jacob leaned on a few subordination texts, which Trinitarian models already account for (Monarchical Trinitarianism).
And this isn’t new - Jacob has done similar pivots before (the Great Apostasy debate with Joe Heschmeyer).
@microbrandon@badtothebone124@ThoughtfulSaint I expected both Avery and Jacob to engage the full biblical data and argue for the most parsimonious reading.
Avery did that, working across more of the tex, while Jacob used a few verses as a springboard into philosophy. If anything, that’s closer to proof-texting.
Understood, and thanks for clarifying. While I agree someone can technically be a LDS member without tithing, my point was just that the picture becomes more nuanced when we’re talking about exaltation rather than simple membership.
Since exaltation is tied to temple covenants and ordinances, and receiving those ordinances in mortality requires a temple recommend - which includes affirming that one is a full tithe payer - it seems that tithing becomes practically connected to pursuing exaltation, even if it’s not required just to be a member.