State enforcement of law is righteous.
State enforcement of belief is not righteous.
Unless you believe the murder of all Protestants from the 1500s up until they became state institutions was correct and biblical? And then I assume you would be okay with the Protestant nations executing orthodox Christians in the same way they were to be okay right?
America was founded on explicitly anti-state enforced Christianity.
Orthodoxy is comically bad in this context because it is the most tolerant of state enforced practices.
The head of Russian orthodoxy was a spy for the KGB for decades.
The Orthodox Church in both Ukraine and Russia are snitching on members who don’t want to fight in the war.
@skiingcons@Anthonethan@Adriana19Flower Sure, in response to that women have no accountability.
You have corrected your orthodox brother to the correct beliefs, and I hope you continue to teach your denomination that women should be held accountable.
@skiingcons@Anthonethan@Adriana19Flower You need to put in some more work correcting your fellow orthodox people.
From my estimation orthodox is a fifth column in America and I believe they should go and live in Eastern Europe or Russia where that religion is state mandated.
On the contrary, I want a fully autonomous wife that can have responsibility and accountability.
This whole thread is about where the accountability lies within wives and husbands.
So far you all have been defending the proposition that wives have no accountability because it is the man who must responsible for all choices ever made in the relationship.
@skiingcons@Adriana19Flower@Anthonethan Is a woman allowed to divorce her husband due to the hardness of her heart because she doesn’t like him leading the family in a Christ like manner? And the Orthodox Church would allow this?
@skiingcons@Anthonethan@Adriana19Flower Also…
“Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives,”
1 Peter 3:1
Sounds like your objection has no bearing on the matter.
@skiingcons@Adriana19Flower@Anthonethan So it is your church’s practice to only allow people to divorce due to adultery and only remarry if that was the case?
Will I be unable to find an Orthodox Church that allows divorce for any other reason?
@skiingcons@Anthonethan@Adriana19Flower I would say that a husband is to lead his wife like Christ leads the church, and therefore a wife is to follow her husband like the church follows Christ.
Are women (the church) only to honor their husband (Jesus) and not to be held to account for their actions?
Are you implying that the only responsibility a wife has is to honor her husband?
I would say that a husband is to lead his wife like Christ leads the church, and therefore a wife is to follow her husband like the church follows Christ.
Are women (the church) only to honor their husband (Jesus) and not responsible for the actions they do?
@skiingcons@Adriana19Flower@Anthonethan It is said in scripture that someone who is divorced from their spouse they are forbidden from marrying again.
So, within your framework, can someone who is granted divorce from the church sidestep the scripture and marry again?
Ex: lady spends too much money on clothes.
Is it her fault for spending too much money or the husbands for not setting a boundary for spending the money?
If the husband has set the boundary and she crosses it, is it her fault for crossing it or the husbands for allowing her too much leeway where she believes she doesn’t need to follow the boundary?
If he didn’t allow leeway and she still crosses it, is it her fault for ignoring the boundary or the husbands for not setting up a harsh enough penalty to dissuade her from doing so?
Do you see how your rule about *context can be pushed?
@skiingcons@Adriana19Flower@Anthonethan Your church denies salvation to women who divorce their husbands?
Can you point to a ruling on this or is it just a thing you made up to prove your own point?
@Anthonethan@Adriana19Flower@skiingcons *responsible for choices within context
*mens responsibility to keep you in that context
So the buck stops at the men again?
Is there a conceivable situation where a lady can be at fault because of her own choice?