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@Gurt02@fawazDS9@blacknredtext 1) Its Hammerfell all over again: they were able to hold their own against the Thalmor—though not easily, as that war cost them their south region—because they united and because they had a legion of veteran Imperials who became the backbone of their defense.
@Gurt02@fawazDS9@blacknredtext Torygg had already heard Ulfric himself express his position and it wasn’t just him; practically everyone at that meeting had heard them. No one acted as an informant; his position was respected.
@Gurt02@fawazDS9@blacknredtext In the medium to long term I’m almost certain of that—something like this will likely appear in the new game; but to enter a new war in the middle of a reconstruction? I doubt it—especially since, the moment Ulfric wins the Thalmor will start a war against skyrim
@Gurt02@fawazDS9@blacknredtext The Greybeards only teach the Voice according to the principles of the Way of the Voice; in that sense, one could say that Ulfric also betrayed their trust by using it in a way they would not approve of.
@Gurt02@fawazDS9@blacknredtext Where? I’ve been looking into what the rules are supposed to be, and the only thing I can find is that there are two versions of duels: one to the death, and another where the loser is sent into exile—beyond that, nothing else is mentioned.
@Gurt02@fawazDS9@blacknredtext 2) And when the Thalmor found out, the reaction was essentially, "Well, I guess the war starts all over again." To me, this doesn't sound like a betrayal by the Empire; it sounds like Ulfric taking matters into his own hands, trying to impose what HE wanted.
@Gurt02@fawazDS9@blacknredtext 1) Ulfric didn’t negotiate this with the Empire beforehand; he acted unilaterally with a Jarl. By the time the Imperial forces arrived, the Jarl was already prepared for battle. The Empire "accepted" the arrangement to avoid making the situation worse
@Gurt02@fawazDS9@blacknredtext The only ones who I think could help Ulfric are the Redguards; however, even though they also harbor a grudge against the Empire, they don’t get involved because they are busy rebuilding their own country, which was left quite battered by the war against the Thalmor.
@Gurt02@fawazDS9@blacknredtext That doesn’t address my argument; Torygg didn’t view Ulfric as an enemy, yet Ulfric chose to challenge him to a duel—even though he could have brought him over to his side. It was a poor political decision, which, to me, suggests that what Ulfric really wanted was the throne.
@Gurt02@fawazDS9@blacknredtext 2) The Voice might be culturally specific to the Nords but if you’re in your early twenties you’ve never had the chance to learn it. I know the lore doesn’t say anything about it but given what we know about the Nords it seems to me that using it should be considered dishonorable
@Gurt02@fawazDS9@blacknredtext 1) That argument just doesn’t convince me. Are you telling me that the Nords—who pride themselves on being straightforward—wouldn’t establish rules for a duel of honor, or set limitations, such as on the use of magic?
@spaceshark23 lets be honest, It was a low blow not to provide that option (and yes, I’m aware of all the implications behind *how* she became a vampire, I get it... but it’s still a low blow).
@Gurt02@IntangibleCat64@fawazDS9@blacknredtext 2) The Thalmor never would have infiltrated Skyrim if Ulfric hadn't drawn their attention and forced the Empire to take action following the events in Markarth. Even so my position isn't to justify the Empire 100%; rather, it’s that Ulfric messed up and could have avoided the war
@Gurt02@IntangibleCat64@fawazDS9@blacknredtext 1) That is not a betrayal; that is a defeat. The Empire knew it was unpopular, which is why it did not strictly enforce the terms of the White-Gold Concordat; the Nords were able to continue living their lives with a degree of normalcy and even worship Talos in private.
@Gurt02@IntangibleCat64@fawazDS9@blacknredtext 2) Although the Empire would never have accepted his duel against Torygg, he made it easy for them to cast doubt on the legitimacy of the duel by using the Voice—a skill Torygg could not have learned, as it takes years to learn a simple word.
@Gurt02@IntangibleCat64@fawazDS9@blacknredtext 1) It was a combination of many things—not just the duel. Furthermore, at the gathering where Torygg was chosen as king, he did not oppose Ulfric’s stance, even though he could have denounced him there as a traitor.