Sex difference is only important in a tiny number of instances (private spaces, attraction, sport, etc). Most claimed differences are outdated stereotypes. Feminists fight to keep the important and eliminate the outdated. TRAs fight to destroy the important and keep the outdated.
@BrynHGriffiths@CordyHaig@kamakeriad Back in the 00s in Brighton, loads of people attended Pride, including countless straight people. It was a massive celebration. Not arguing to exclude anyone from Pride - merely to exclude men from women’s spaces, sports and initiatives. Different thing.
@oolon Sure, there are a lot of problems in the UK other than the attempts to roll back women’s rights and legal protections. But that isn’t a reason to drop the fight back.
@BrynHGriffiths We’d pretty much won LGB acceptance in the UK, but while no-one should suffer discrimination you are never going to genuinely convince anyone but a few brainwashed activists that a man who says he’s a woman is one. He should still be accepted but not as a women. Because he’s not.
@AuntyFa11@thefemagend@oolon@Steve__Clare Keep going. Most reasonable left of centre people wants to see no discrimination against anyone but want to preserve single-sex spaces. As soon as you describe that position as far right, you lose another potential supporter. Please, never stop accusing people of being far right.
@AuntyFa11@thefemagend@oolon@Steve__Clare It’s always a relief when trans activists demonstrate a total lack of understanding of their opponents. It’s why your movement is in retreat. You cannot construct arguments that advance your position because you’re fighting demons of your own creation rather than reality.
@Sheehuurthem It’s because those in the trans movement believe this that it is failing. By making up motivations for your opponents that make you feel better, instead of truly understanding them, you put yourself at a massive disadvantage.
@StrewthQueen Stop using gay people and people with DSDs as a shield. No feminist group wants to stop anti-discrimination against them.
They want to stop blokes who pretend to be women taking away those things society has designated are for women only.
That’s a true feminist cause.
@star_observer “Marginalised?” When they have the Government and countless captured institutions devoting vast resources to supporting their delusion, with no thought of the consequences to anyone else. It would be hilarious if it weren’t so Orwellian.
@RadFemme74@_celia_bedelia_ Your argument rests on the absurdity that one day, tens of thousands of people opened a medical dictionary, randomly alighted on gender dysphoria and simultaneously thought, “I’ll randomly decide to hate all those people.”
But you pretend it’s about hate if it keeps you happy.
@thefemagend@oolon@Steve__Clare This is a total misunderstanding, and I suspect you know it.
How do you think the gender critical movement got its name? I would abolish all gender standards leaving only the reality of sex.
The far right and the trans movement are both a threat to women’s rights.
Well this is quite something 🤯
An actual MP telling me, a male homosexual, I’m “attacking” an oppressed group for not believing that men can be lesbians and women can be gay men
Samantha, there is nothing ‘strange’ about simply acknowledging what homosexuality is and isn’t. In fact it is imperative we do so to protect our rights
Para 204 of the Supreme Court ruling makes it very clear that the protected characteristic of sexual orientation is based on sex
Para 206 makes it very clear that this PC, and thus homosexuality, is rendered meaningless when not recognised as being based on sex
If you recognise that gays and lesbians and bisexuals are an oppressed group who still face adversity, how can we stand up for ourselves if simply acknowledging what homosexuality is gets us framed as “attackers”?
How can we even begin to tackle the modern version of adversity that seeks to reframe homosexuality to include those of the opposite sex? That has seen lesbians having to go to court in the UK and Australia simply to maintain the legal recognition of homosexuality (or in the case of Australia find a way to claw it back)? That has seen a lesbian brought to tears at a tribunal when asked why males can’t be lesbians?
How on earth can you take issue with me saying that men can’t be lesbians???
And how can you claim to be aware of the historic fight for gay rights while not having any awareness (or lacking the courage to acknowledge it) of how for at least the last decade these have been under threat from ‘gender’?
Don’t pretend to know our struggle if you can’t even say what a homosexual is
I mean… seriously!
@SimplyShae13 You realise trans activists are the only people who ever bring up genital inspection. No-one else does. Almost as if the idea excites you.