@InspiringPhilos Even if the Bible was corrupted it does not follow that the Quran has any relevant information about Jesus's life, teachings, and ministry.
The vindicatory miracle argument is weird. (I assume this is what you're referring to) If these miracles are so common and clear it seems like debating them is pointless, instead non-Catholics should just encounter the miracles in the wild.
Also, I don't think miracles matter if they support something morally repugnant. (eternal conscious torment)
Yet progressive Christians have existed for hundreds of years. The social gospel is something inspired by the liberal Christian movement. They are certainly heretics, but it seems like heretical Christians are the most relevant and impactful Christians throughout history.
If you can't beat them _____
@allie__voss We used to be a Christian family one sibling is catholic, another is atheist, another is pseudo-buddhist, and my father is all over the place, and my mom is baptist
I took some middle ground route🤷♂️
Ryan Raises a good point; source documents are necessary for interpretation. However, it is reasonable to assume that not all of the information is present in the gospels. What's worse is the gospels themselves seem to contradict.
So, neither solution of tradition nor scripture alone works. Both are valuable but no conclusion can be drawn in many instances. So the deciding factor must be the fruit of the teaching.
@zosafinaa Personally, I hate everyone involved in the story. The woman is just parroting feminist sexual ethics, which is just sleeping around. While the men are all pigs. Jail them all
Constant evasion, red herrings, nonsequitors, strict dogmatic axioms that cannot be questioned. Projects psychological profile onto me and then blocks me.
No wonder people deconvert
@Starrtoon Unironically, that is the most horrifying teaching. Why would it ever be considered a good thing to divorce someone you built a legacy with and love? I can only make sense of some marriages being annulled in heaven, but not truly loving ones.
@Starrtoon I think you're being evasive and avoiding my points. Also, no, I am not Mormon, but I do respect their views on eternal unions. It is far more sensible. I openly self-identify as a Gnostic Christian it is in my twitter name
@Starrtoon I saw it and I'm aware of verses in revelation. I used the word pet because the interaction you described seemed to entail. Sex can be for procreation but also romance and joy.
I'm critiquing the rational, cruelty, while also proposing interpretive solutions.
@Starrtoon Paul does that, but Jesus seems to make explicit comparisons with marriage and heaven. Even then Paul's statement could be inferred to be Koh = marriage
Sex and marriage are not necessary, but neither are gardens or pets. So why assume that exists?
@Starrtoon Marriage ends but heaven is analogous to marriage in the parables? Do friendships remain? Seems like mixed signals. 🤷🤷♂️What is this existence like? Are we just hovering spirits doing nothing but feeling bliss without action?
Won't care about eternal anullment? Seems cold
@AntosteIIa Tough one: personally, I think a lot of things are compatible even physicalism. (although God would seem less worthy of worship)
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Non refutable evidence would be alien civilizations with no Christianity or Christlike figure.
@Starrtoon I'm talking about, the divorce at death that persists in heaven. Technically it's not divorce since it seems to be imposed upon a couple, but that only seems crueler. Most Christians I know are either unaware or reinterpret the verse.
I can't understand celebrating it 🤷♂️