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[TheNortherner @CameronCosby03]

@marwut_ @_ParadiseParis1 Fair explanation, thank you. I was going to say if you didn’t know (which you did mention) there was a conspiracy theory about it, which is why I would assume anyone would mention it.

[TheNortherner @CameronCosby03]

Thank you for sharing. I am just stating that according to this line of logic. Anyone who makes fun of another person is automatically deemed a racist? I am not arguing or condoning what he said, but I don’t think classifying everything as racism helps. Was it ignorant, sure. Was it disrespectful, absolutely.

[TheNortherner @CameronCosby03]

@RepMonique @the_g93606 The judge didn’t make the ruling the jury did

[TheNortherner @CameronCosby03]

**No, the full surveillance video of the incident involving Karmelo Anthony at the Frisco track meet is not freely available to the public.**

Karmelo Anthony (then 17, now 19) was convicted of murder and sentenced to 35 years in prison in June 2026 for the April 2025 stabbing death of 17-year-old Austin Metcalf during a high school track meet at Kuykendall Stadium in Frisco, Texas (Frisco ISD). The altercation occurred in a team tent amid rain delays.

### Key details on the video:
- **Surveillance footage exists** from multiple stadium angles (including enhanced versions shown in court). It captured the moments before, during, and after the incident: people under/near the tent, a brief scuffle, Anthony leaving the area, and the emergency response. It is described as grainy/distant due to camera positioning (e.g., near the press box), making individuals hard to identify clearly without enhancement. The actual stabbing itself was not clearly visible in the released-viewed footage.
- **Limited public access via Frisco ISD**: The district complied with Texas open records requests by allowing media and others to *view* the footage in person (often in real-time with a district representative present). However, **no copies, recordings, screenshots, pausing, or rewinding** were permitted, citing student privacy, security, and the involvement of minors. This happened as early as 2025.
- **Trial use**: Jurors saw the footage (along with bodycam and other evidence) but it was not broadcast or released publicly due to a gag order and courtroom camera restrictions. No full version has been leaked or posted online in any official capacity.

### Why the restrictions?
School district policies, Texas law on student privacy in surveillance videos, and the sensitive nature of the case (involving minors and a violent crime) led to these limits. This has fueled ongoing public debate, speculation, and calls for full transparency, but no broader release has occurred.

You can find news reports describing what was visible in the footage (e.g., from CBS, NBC, or court coverage), but not the raw video itself. Bodycam footage from Anthony's arrest has appeared in some trial recaps, but that's separate. If you're looking for updates, check official court records or reputable news outlets—avoid unverified social media clips, as misinformation has circulated around the case.

[TheNortherner @CameronCosby03]

@PeteButtigieg How about require voter ID for starters?

[TheNortherner @CameronCosby03]

@queenie4rmnola Charlie was not killed for being white and it had nothing to do with race at all. Just ideological difference of opinion. This is not a fair or accurate comparison.

[TheNortherner @CameronCosby03]

@libsoftiktok @TDCJ Wow saying the quite part out loud

[TheNortherner @CameronCosby03]

- The core requirements for deadly force (in most states) are:
- You must reasonably believe you (or another) face imminent death, great bodily harm, or a forcible felony (e.g., rape, robbery, kidnapping).
- The force used must be necessary and proportional to the threat.
- You are not the initial aggressor (and in some states, not engaged in unlawful activity).

An unarmed attacker can create such a threat—for example, a much larger/stronger person, multiple attackers, a skilled fighter, or someone trying to disarm you or cause severe injury (e.g., by stomping, choking, or slamming your head). Courts and juries evaluate this from the perspective of a "reasonable person" in your situation, considering factors like size disparity, location, and the attacker's actions.

### State Variations
- In strong Stand Your Ground states (e.g., Florida, Georgia, Texas, Oklahoma), the law explicitly allows meeting "force with force, including deadly force" if the belief of imminent harm is reasonable. Unarmed scenarios are possible but scrutinized heavily.
- Some states add restrictions (e.g., Pennsylvania generally requires the attacker to display/use a lethal weapon for deadly force outside the home in certain contexts).
- Non-Stand Your Ground states still allow self-defense, but you may have a duty to retreat if safe to do so.

[TheNortherner @CameronCosby03]

@RoyIsThaTruth

[TheNortherner @CameronCosby03]

@RoyIsThaTruth Exact opposite. The media try’s to run cover for everyone that is not a white male. While also deliberately mis-classifying results to help fit the narrative.

[TheNortherner @CameronCosby03]

@gatorgar Organize “mostly peaceful protests” . What is that supposed to mean?

[TheNortherner @CameronCosby03]

@JasonJournoDC The old lesson of act with integrity, respect all people, and don’t raise them to think that they are a victim. Pretty simple parenting conversations that should absolutely be normal for all parents raising young children.

[TheNortherner @CameronCosby03]

@ClaireFosterPHD I think saying “innocent” is a stretch. Are you claiming that anyone who pushes someone gives them the right to stab them with a knife? Come on you really can’t believe he did nothing wrong… which would equal innocence

[TheNortherner @CameronCosby03]

This is a low IQ comparison and take. To frame it this way is dishonest. Kyle was actually attacked by three people one with a gun during a violent lawless riot. Karmelo was simple shoved. So are you saying that next time someone gets shoved, it justifies stabbing them with a knife?

[TheNortherner @CameronCosby03]

@RevRayCistman This is satire right? Or you aren’t worried about someone getting killed? Just worried about the person that killed them being convicted? I am confused 🤔

[TheNortherner @CameronCosby03]

Kyle Rittenhouse Case (Kenosha, WI, August 2020)
- Context: During riots/protests after the police shooting of Jacob Blake. Rittenhouse (17, white), armed with an AR-15-style rifle, was in Kenosha (he had ties there) offering medical aid and protecting property amid widespread arson and violence.
- Shootings: He shot three men (two fatally) after being pursued and attacked:
- Joseph Rosenbaum (unarmed, with a criminal history) chased Rittenhouse and reached for his gun.
- Anthony Huber hit him with a skateboard and tried to take the rifle.
- Gaige Grosskreutz pointed a handgun at him.
- Evidence: Extensive bystander video, drone footage, and eyewitness testimony clearly showed Rittenhouse being chased, falling, and attacked while trying to flee. He did not pursue victims initially in a way that negated self-defense.
- Outcome: Acquitted on all charges (homicide, etc.) in 2021. Jury accepted self-defense under Wisconsin law—he reasonably feared imminent death or great bodily harm, retreated where possible, and used proportional force (firearm against physical attacks and a drawn gun).

### Karmelo Anthony Case (Frisco, TX, April 2025)
- Context: Routine high school track meet during rain delay. Anthony (17 at the time, Black) entered a rival school's (Memorial High) tent/area uninvited. Austin Metcalf (17, white) and others told him to leave.
- Stabbing: After words ("Touch me and see what happens" while reaching into his backpack), Metcalf shoved/pushed Anthony to remove him. Anthony pulled a knife and stabbed Metcalf once in the chest, killing him. Anthony fled briefly then turned himself in.
- Evidence: Witness testimony showed Anthony provoked/escalated by refusing to leave, taunting, and having the knife ready. No video of the exact moment widely cited as exonerating; it was a brief altercation over seating/space, not a mob attack. Anthony did not testify.
- Outcome: Convicted of murder in June 2026 after short jury deliberation; sentenced to 35 years (eligible for parole after ~17.5). Self-defense rejected under Texas law.

### Key Differences
| Aspect | Rittenhouse | Anthony |
|--------|-------------|---------|
| Setting | Chaotic riots with arson, violence, and armed unrest | School sports event; minor dispute over tent space |
| Initiation | Pursued and attacked while present for aid/property | Entered rival area, refused to leave, taunted with "touch me and see" + hand in backpack |
| Weapon & Force | Rifle used after chases, hits (skateboard), and drawn gun | Knife pulled after a shove; deadly force vs. non-deadly push |
| Evidence | Clear multi-angle video of being chased/attacked; testified | Witness accounts of provocation; no strong video; did not testify |
| Self-Defense Law Fit | Reasonable fear of death/great harm; proportional after pursuit | Provocation + deadly force vs. minor contact often fails "stand your ground" or self-defense rules in TX |
| Outcome | Acquitted | Guilty of murder |

Self-defense law basics explain much of this: Both states allow it, but it requires reasonable fear of imminent harm, no provocation, and proportional response. Rittenhouse had strong video evidence of retreat + escalating attacks. Anthony's taunt and pre-ready knife undermined his claim—he arguably initiated/escalated a deadly response to a push.

Race and politics: These often dominate online discourse (e.g., claims of "two standards"). Rittenhouse's victims were white; Anthony's was white. Media and activist framing amplified racial angles, but courts focused on facts/evidence. Rittenhouse had strong video and public support from some quarters; Anthony's case lacked comparable proof and involved clear provocation elements.

In short, the cases aren't equivalent: one involved documented mob pursuit in riots with proportional armed response backed by video; the other was a fatal overreaction in a petty school dispute. Outcomes followed the evidence presented at trial.

[TheNortherner @CameronCosby03]

Kyle Rittenhouse Case (Kenosha, WI, August 2020)
- Context: During riots/protests after the police shooting of Jacob Blake. Rittenhouse (17, white), armed with an AR-15-style rifle, was in Kenosha (he had ties there) offering medical aid and protecting property amid widespread arson and violence.
- Shootings: He shot three men (two fatally) after being pursued and attacked:
- Joseph Rosenbaum (unarmed, with a criminal history) chased Rittenhouse and reached for his gun.
- Anthony Huber hit him with a skateboard and tried to take the rifle.
- Gaige Grosskreutz pointed a handgun at him.
- Evidence: Extensive bystander video, drone footage, and eyewitness testimony clearly showed Rittenhouse being chased, falling, and attacked while trying to flee. He did not pursue victims initially in a way that negated self-defense.
- Outcome: Acquitted on all charges (homicide, etc.) in 2021. Jury accepted self-defense under Wisconsin law—he reasonably feared imminent death or great bodily harm, retreated where possible, and used proportional force (firearm against physical attacks and a drawn gun).

### Karmelo Anthony Case (Frisco, TX, April 2025)
- Context: Routine high school track meet during rain delay. Anthony (17 at the time, Black) entered a rival school's (Memorial High) tent/area uninvited. Austin Metcalf (17, white) and others told him to leave.
- Stabbing: After words ("Touch me and see what happens" while reaching into his backpack), Metcalf shoved/pushed Anthony to remove him. Anthony pulled a knife and stabbed Metcalf once in the chest, killing him. Anthony fled briefly then turned himself in.
- Evidence: Witness testimony showed Anthony provoked/escalated by refusing to leave, taunting, and having the knife ready. No video of the exact moment widely cited as exonerating; it was a brief altercation over seating/space, not a mob attack. Anthony did not testify.
- Outcome: Convicted of murder in June 2026 after short jury deliberation; sentenced to 35 years (eligible for parole after ~17.5). Self-defense rejected under Texas law.

### Key Differences
| Aspect | Rittenhouse | Anthony |
|--------|-------------|---------|
| Setting | Chaotic riots with arson, violence, and armed unrest | School sports event; minor dispute over tent space |
| Initiation | Pursued and attacked while present for aid/property | Entered rival area, refused to leave, taunted with "touch me and see" + hand in backpack |
| Weapon & Force | Rifle used after chases, hits (skateboard), and drawn gun | Knife pulled after a shove; deadly force vs. non-deadly push |
| Evidence | Clear multi-angle video of being chased/attacked; testified | Witness accounts of provocation; no strong video; did not testify |
| Self-Defense Law Fit | Reasonable fear of death/great harm; proportional after pursuit | Provocation + deadly force vs. minor contact often fails "stand your ground" or self-defense rules in TX |
| Outcome | Acquitted | Guilty of murder |

Self-defense law basics explain much of this: Both states allow it, but it requires reasonable fear of imminent harm, no provocation, and proportional response. Rittenhouse had strong video evidence of retreat + escalating attacks. Anthony's taunt and pre-ready knife undermined his claim—he arguably initiated/escalated a deadly response to a push.

Race and politics: These often dominate online discourse (e.g., claims of "two standards"). Rittenhouse's victims were white; Anthony's was white. Media and activist framing amplified racial angles, but courts focused on facts/evidence. Rittenhouse had strong video and public support from some quarters; Anthony's case lacked comparable proof and involved clear provocation elements.

In short, the cases aren't equivalent: one involved documented mob pursuit in riots with proportional armed response backed by video; the other was a fatal overreaction in a petty school dispute. Outcomes followed the evidence presented at trial.

[TheNortherner @CameronCosby03]

@SandraStevensMi @FloraLuzz_ With all due respect, how did anyone allow this to happen? This is simply poor decision making, coupled with bad judgement.

[TheNortherner @CameronCosby03]

Come to find out you can’t stab someone in the heart and kill them for pushing you. It is really not that hard to understand… killing someone comes with consequences regardless of immutable characteristics. This case had nothing to do with race and clearly was case of poor judgment and decision making.