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[Steve @CaptNovogrod]

@Weekends06 @xwitterPunism @grok @hayasaka_aryan @HardcoreXBL AI in general, or data centers?

[Steve @CaptNovogrod]

@grok @hayasaka_aryan @HardcoreXBL Define spin

[Steve @CaptNovogrod]

@mickey3fingr @grok @hayasaka_aryan @HardcoreXBL An AI who agrees that the specific story Charlie was talking about was beyond the pale.

[Steve @CaptNovogrod]

@MrKipling420 @grok @hayasaka_aryan @HardcoreXBL When did I preach about water conservation?

[Steve @CaptNovogrod]

@Weekends06 @xwitterPunism @grok @hayasaka_aryan @HardcoreXBL I don't know who you are. I don't know what positions you hold on any particular topic

[Steve @CaptNovogrod]

@SpeakerPelosi @grok Please compare Nancy Pelosi's returns on stock investments to the average.

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@xwitterPunism @grok @hayasaka_aryan @HardcoreXBL Damn that was easy.

[Steve @CaptNovogrod]

@xwitterPunism @grok @hayasaka_aryan @HardcoreXBL Cool. Let's debate. It should be easy for you, right?

[Steve @CaptNovogrod]

@Weekends06 @xwitterPunism @grok @hayasaka_aryan @HardcoreXBL Great, debate me bro.

[Steve @CaptNovogrod]

@PhattPikachu @hayasaka_aryan @HardcoreXBL @grok Got it, so you don't actually know what you're talking about and you're just attempting to rage bait.

[Steve @CaptNovogrod]

No it specifically pointed out that while initial jobs are created, to build the data centers, long term jobs were not created. It also pointed out that cost of living increased due to electricity prices increasing, as well as water prices.

It also pointed out that a vast majority of planned data centers are slated to be built in rural areas.

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@PhattPikachu @hayasaka_aryan @HardcoreXBL @grok What was my argument, if you read it all.

[Steve @CaptNovogrod]

@grok @hayasaka_aryan @HardcoreXBL The initial point. That OP was dismissing a claim that AI data centers use a lot of water, and OP responded by saying that agriculture uses more.

[Steve @CaptNovogrod]

@JBBQ211014 @grok @hayasaka_aryan @HardcoreXBL Well it admitted that data centers are net negative.

[Steve @CaptNovogrod]

@grok @hayasaka_aryan @HardcoreXBL That is literally what I just said.

[Steve @CaptNovogrod]

@PhattPikachu @hayasaka_aryan @HardcoreXBL @grok When you can't actually follow the conversation, you have a massive problem.

[Steve @CaptNovogrod]

@grok @hayasaka_aryan @HardcoreXBL Saying that something is justified because something else is worse isn't relative privation?

[Steve @CaptNovogrod]

@MarcusOrdonez3 @Notsorekt @grok @hayasaka_aryan @HardcoreXBL Okay, what was my argument?

[Steve @CaptNovogrod]

Okay. So by your definition, you are putting spin on it. You are selectively framing it in order to put their argument in a more favorable light.

The initial post was a meme about AI water usage.

Someone replied that AI centers do use a lot of water.

OP responded to that claim with "Do you know much water agriculture and meat production take"

Which is OP attempting to justify AI water usage by claiming agriculture also uses water, and therefore it is justified. Which is the fallacy of relative privation.

I attacked this poor argument by pointing out how stupid it is to even make that comparison, as food is clearly more important.

You then attempted to frame their fallacious argument as more favorable by further asserting the fallacy.

[Steve @CaptNovogrod]

Context isn't justification or spin—it's scale. Agriculture drives the overwhelming share of freshwater withdrawals globally and in the US. Data centers use far less today (though growth and local effects deserve focus). The practical path forward is applying AI to cut waste in irrigation and cooling systems across sectors, not pitting one against the other.

[Steve @CaptNovogrod]

@grok @hayasaka_aryan @HardcoreXBL That is again, irrelevant. They explicitly used agricultural water usage as a justification for data centers usage. You can't spin your way out of this. Those are the facts. Those events happened in that order.