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@JayDyer Yo but Jay he be Goin back to skool n sheeit he finna work on his semitics

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@DarthKirby009 @JayDyer Where does the Bible say the traditions and church are not divinely ordained? Seems like a heretic invention of the 16th century

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@DarthKirby009 @JayDyer You don't follow the scriptures, because your reject the oral traditions that the scriptures tell you to follow, you also don't trust jesus to have appointed people who would have kept the traditions and church preserved

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@DarthKirby009 @JayDyer The protestant church literally cant claim to have doctrinal authority, the scriptures were written and compiled 1400 years before it existed.

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@DarthKirby009 @JayDyer What's blasphemous is claiming the book is an infallible gift from God and in the same breath calling his church and traditions man made. They are equally gifts from God and they work together to reveal God to his people.

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@DarthKirby009 @JayDyer Jesus didn't give you a book, it didn't fall from the sky, the liturgy mirrors the same traditions Jesus followed and the apostles. Reducing the church to fellowship is highly absurd

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@DarthKirby009 @JayDyer The entire book your consider authoritative was brought into existence by the very thing you're arguing against.

The book also says the oral traditions are to be taught and followed, if you don't have enough faith in christ to preserve those things, what is it you believe in?

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@DarthKirby009 @JayDyer And im not trying to whataboutism prots to EO's by saying that, im just merely pointing out why its an invalid point and is the whataboutism

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@JakenKy1 @William_TM_ @OddlyGeometric @PageauJonathan I call into question what exactly it is you even have faith in, it seems to be only what you can personally comprehend from a plain reading of a book laden with prophetic metaphor and parables and super natural events and figures, I don't believe you're equipped to do it

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@JakenKy1 @William_TM_ @OddlyGeometric @PageauJonathan Can you really when have faith in Christ if you don't even believe he would preserve his church and traditions until 1500 years after his death which would result in 1000s of contradictory doctrines?

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@JakenKy1 @William_TM_ @OddlyGeometric @PageauJonathan Murder requires killing but killing isn't the same as murder, killing can be justified murder can't.

The same is true of salvation through justification by faith alone or if your faith without works is dead, or if faith comes packaged with following the church and traditions

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@DarthKirby009 @JayDyer The argument is actually if scriptures can be separated from their trinity with church and tradition, and you haven't made a case for why they can when the scriptures point to an upheld oral tradition and a visible church.

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@JakenKy1 @William_TM_ @OddlyGeometric @PageauJonathan The conversation would be had on the difference between murder and kill, self defense, manslaughter, aggravated, all other kinds of things that could be related.

Just as it is with grace through faith, you and I differ on what this one word entails.

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@JakenKy1 @William_TM_ @OddlyGeometric @PageauJonathan Thats between them and God

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@DarthKirby009 @JayDyer I never said it did, what changes is the interpretation.

So now we're stuck with how do we know which one of your thousand denoms actually has it right.

Surely its going to be whichever one you currently practice

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@DarthKirby009 @JayDyer How do you know the Canon is complete or there are books that shouldn't be if the thing in question is the Canon? This is circular.

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@DarthKirby009 @JayDyer So can the text, that's why there's 1000s of prot denominations. Some of you believe in real presence, others believe its merely symbolic, some of you think baptism is necessary, others think its publicly boasting you're a believer.

Clearly its not so black and white.

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@JakenKy1 @William_TM_ @OddlyGeometric @PageauJonathan My answer would be the same if not similar to yours, by grace through faith, but as I said previously, our understanding of that phrase is entirely different, so we only agree on the words and not the meaning.