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[chad @Chadbdad]

@MartinEqualsMe 99% of atheist didn’t become atheist by reading the bible, just as 99% of Christian’s didn’t become Christian by reading one.

[chad @Chadbdad]

We all know it’s because God doesn’t want to take our way our free will. It’s in the Bible, just give me a second let me find it. ☺️ i’m pretty confident that belief and faith being a main theme of Christianity has something to do with God‘s hiddenness. I mean, just imagine if Jesus never disappeared after his resurrection.

[chad @Chadbdad]

Morality is important to us because we want to know that we are behaving correctly. If God exists, that doesn’t entail objective morality. There could be a certain type of God that produces objective morality, that doesn’t expect us to abide by it. If there was a God who created objective morality and expected us to follow it still doesn’t entail we have access to it, especially if the people and world were cursed and broken and designed to deceive us. So in this case, we would derive our morals in the same way as if there was no God.

[chad @Chadbdad]

@LyndaniM What verses say you’re supposed to have a relationship with God?

[chad @Chadbdad]

@AtheistPhoenix No, it’s that God is fashioning a place where predestined people can develop, and to create a hierarchy in heaven, and they will be slaves for God. A place where most will not make it. Fr Chad Rippenger.

[chad @Chadbdad]

You could point to the Amish, who are not capitalistic and no one would say they are lazy. But I think we need to go further back than Hesiod to where we spent most of our time, in small clans where work meant fishing with your brother, or building a house with your father. Productivity was meaningful and had direct correlation. Productivity in a capitalistic society means something totally different.

[chad @Chadbdad]

@nickgraynews Saw a man tell a prego, “nice to see you today” or maybe it was a compliment about her appearance, but she took it as saying she didn’t look good the other days. Sheesh, best to not say anything.

[chad @Chadbdad]

@SpeedWatkins Jesus didn’t have original sin. So maybe if we didn’t have that curse, we to could could act more according to gods will and not be tourted for eternity.

[chad @Chadbdad]

@gmiller @DineshDSouza They say they are not suffering, just pain or some autonomic response that looks like pain. Not sure if that’s satisfying to anyone though.

[chad @Chadbdad]

As a non-academic, I have some definitions that I’ve been playing with. Really thinking about what most people actually care about and mean when they say they have free will. For the longest time “if you could have done otherwise“ was hard to conceptualize. When people hear it, they immediately shut down, get defensive and think of fatalism. I focus on influence instead. These are intentionally reductive and fallible.

Identity — the influences we incorporate into our sense of “I.”
“I’m a Southern boy.”

Agency — the experience of our strongest influence becoming our action.
“That’s just me doing Southern boy stuff.”

Free will — being able to act contrary to our strongest influences; having an origin of action free from influence.
“ I’m a southern boy, and even though I identify this way of life, and it makes me who I am, that was a choice, and I could choose to be free from those influences .”

Determinism — everything is causal. (Your choices are causes too; determinism isn’t fatalism.)
“Yeah, I was raised on fried chicken and football, but I’m trying to eat healthier. I don’t know what I’ll choose when the time comes, but whatever I choose will be caused by the influences acting on me. Hell, even me deliberating about it is an influence that will have an effect on my choice.”

Compatibilism — we are determined, but don’t worry, it’s fine.
“Fried chicken and football, love it, that’s good with me”

[chad @Chadbdad]

@ilinxing @PAHoyeck Judicial systems do take into consideration some influences, but it’s only the most extreme ones like insanity or rage. Knowing about ACE scores, consideration should involve all spectrum not just an extreme end.

[chad @Chadbdad]

@OurLadyofAntifa @PAHoyeck It sounds like what you’re (Stan) describing is fatalism, and what Chomsky was characterizing as well. In determinism, you can influence me, I can influence you, and I can influence myself, but those extents are still predetermined.

[chad @Chadbdad]

@allegiantfaith None of these is a logical argument. They’re assertions. You haven’t shown that any of them entails a conclusion, much less that one is logically inconsistent.

[chad @Chadbdad]

@SaraHunter78 @archie_lochie This is a logical statement
all men are immortal
Socrates was a man
so Socrates was immortal.

[chad @Chadbdad]

It’s not that bad things happen, it’s that they’re egregious disproportioned. There is no yin and Yang. Think of the best things in life motherhood, a 40 year marriage anniversary, a cool fall day, now think of the worst things, bugs that eat the eyes out of children, a Nepal landslide that kills thousands, and we know it gets much worse. You’re right in your worldview, our thinking is flawed. God cursed everyone born, and the world so that our thinking cannot be trusted, not to mention the evil and divine spirit that can causes us harm.

[chad @Chadbdad]

if Christianity says God is knowable but simultaneously says human beings can be spiritually blinded and deceived, what is the mechanism that reliably distinguishes genuine knowledge of God from a mistaken perception of God? And can testing deductions only work in specific theistic type worlds?

[chad @Chadbdad]

We have the same problem in a world where god creates objective morality. 1- it doesn’t follow we have access to it. 2- that this god necessitates humans follow this objectives. ( he could be good with subjectivity) 3- in the Christian tradition, our world and faculties are cursed, and there are evil and Devine spirits that can delude.

[chad @Chadbdad]

@MidasMulligan10 @illyriusx We have the same problem in a world where there is a God who produces objective truths and morality. 1- it doesn’t follow that we have access to it, 2- in the Christian tradition the world and everyone’s faculties are cursed, and evil and Devine spirits can delude us.

[chad @Chadbdad]

@zeefu_apx @archie_lochie That illuminates the problem! Or eternal destiny is dependent on our limited comprehension, perception, and understanding. And doesn’t include being intentionally corrupted, and in a corrupted world with evil and Devine spirits that can hurt you.

[chad @Chadbdad]

@allbesaved @archie_lochie God knew the fall could happen, and proceeded anyway, no better choices? Wonder what his plan was if there was no fall. And given the fall, what if the Jesus rescue plan didn’t work out.