@abbythelibb_@BibleonaBoat Whenever speaking in a public square one must decide are you seeking to obtain information or spread information. If you are spreading then the moral obligation is that the information has been vetted properly with discernment otherwise we fall into chaos
@vdub12@ag_silver_001@GBNCOC No it hurts my heart that anyone carries anger. Lord knows I’ve dealt and still deal with my share. There are more things we agree on than not is my point and I think when you dig into the catechism one can find that. I did, thus the conversion.
@vdub12@ag_silver_001@GBNCOC I’m literally pulling from source material to explain it but whatever maybe you should stop and ask yourself why it makes you so angry? Before all we were to love God with all of our mind, body and soul. That’s all I’m trying to do here.
Peace be with you.
@ag_silver_001@vdub12@GBNCOC This has been at least from my intention a discussion not a quarrel, despite being called a fool, ignorant, heretic etc I’m merely trying to explain in fuller detail what we Catholics actually believe so others might read with discernment to combat the propaganda about Catholics
@vdub12@GBNCOC John 20:21-23
Next you’re gonna argue what you want to but this is why tradition is important. The sacrament of reconciliation has roots in the early church. I tend to doubt they got it all wrong. Even Lutherans have pastoral confession.
@vdub12@GBNCOC It’s not exploring the meaning of words it is the meaning of words. I’m done with this conversation with you because you refuse to engage in good faith discourse and have ear insulting language my way when I have acted without such vitriol. I’ll pray for you, brother.
@vdub12@GBNCOC I’m explaining what means.
let’s also remember Matt 5:22 But I say to you, whoever is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment, and whoever says to his brother, ‘Raqa,’ will be answerable to the Sanhedrin, and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ will be liable to fiery Gehenna.
@vdub12@GBNCOC At this point we have come to an impasse. By repeating the same thing and not exploring the meaning I worry you may have closed yourself off to civil discourse. We agree on more than you may care to admit
@vdub12@GBNCOC Except they don’t and I’m not arguing but explaining. Trent also teaches that good works performed through God’s grace are not just divine accounting but are real merits. ie there is a true rewarding according to Christ, without denying that everything is a gift
@vdub12@GBNCOC Once again no, claiming the sky is green on repeat doesn’t make it so. Trent rejects the view that works are “only” fruits and not a cause of increase.
@vdub12@GBNCOC See we agree they are not our works but rather the works are the fruits of salvation as led by surrender to the Holy Spirit. If everything good is of God then wouldn’t you agree that good works would be of God and not man?
@vdub12@GBNCOC You’re misinterpreting dare I say at this point intentionally. Works are the fruits of justification and continued justification. Instead of making assumptive statements, I would implore you to seek to understand. I’ll put you in my intentions next time, I pray the rosary
@vdub12@GBNCOC Catholics teach that you are saved by Christ's grace received through faith, but not by a "faith" that is inactive because justification includes renewal (and, ordinarily, baptism), and living faith requires cooperation with grace shown in works of charity.
@BiblesForFree@MrCasey62@TaylorRMarshall My honest experience, I’m not denying that it can and probably does happen but I have yet to have that experience. One of the questions I asked before joining the church was if the church says prots can’t be saved. It was a dealbreaker question for me before converting
@vdub12@GBNCOC "Our salvation flows from God's initiative of love for us" because "he loved us and sent his Son to be the expiation for our sins."- CCC 845 "Our justification comes from the grace of God" CCC 1996 see we actually agree
@Moderatemuch Christ and the apostles didn't all quote the deuterocanonical books verbatim but they did use them. New Testament authors show knowledge of these books and drew from the Septuagint the Church's final canon was based on constant usage.