Steve

[Steve @Moderatemuch]

@Sacred_Panda_ @Bridget_Finish For what purpose?

[Steve @Moderatemuch]

Sometimes we don’t give Protestants the credit they deserve…

Look at this…
Powerful.

Powerful! AND True…

She is the Woman.

I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your seed and HER seed

Eve was a virgin who believed a fallen angel and brought death.
Mary was a virgin who believed an angel of God and brought forth Life Himself.

A woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.

Genesis: the Woman is promised.
Gospels: Jesus repeatedly calls Mary “Woman.”
Calvary: the Woman stands beside the New Adam.
Revelation: the Woman appears glorified and opposed by the dragon.

Powerful.. thanks for that!

[Steve O @Sacred_Panda_]

@Moderatemuch @ThinkonHisTruth @MJKelleyII I think I'll call her woman as Jesus consistently did when speaking to her.

[Steve @Moderatemuch]

@Sacred_Panda_ @Bridget_Finish Where is the rebuke?

34 And looking round about on them who sat about him, he saith: Behold my mother and my brethren.
35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, he is my brother, and my sister, and mother.  (Mark 3:34–35, D-R)

[Steve @Moderatemuch]

@Sacred_Panda_ @Bridget_Finish Is it fair to say, you believe Jesus rebuked her?

[Steve @Moderatemuch]

@Sacred_Panda_ @Bridget_Finish I thought it was this?

They had nothing in common?

[Steve O @Sacred_Panda_]

@Moderatemuch "What's it to me and to you"

An idiom that means we have no business in common.

[Flesh Simulator @fleshsimulator]

Jesus fucking christ the SPLC organized the Charlottesville rally and paid $300K to transport people there hahahahaha

[Steve @Moderatemuch]

@Ruesavatar This isn’t true.

Oral sex with the purpose of completion and not to prepare for pro-creative sex. Is a mortal sin.

Which is obvious. Because if Oral sex isn’t a mortal sin, gay sex also wouldn’t be a mortal sin. Both defy the natural law.

[Steve @Moderatemuch]

@Sacred_Panda_ How is Mary with him in Mark 3:21, but then comes to him 10 verses later?

[Steve @Moderatemuch]

What do Protestants think the point of the story of Cana is?

Why did John include it?

They really believe John included the story of Cana, just to trash talk Mary? But then why did Our Lord disobey the Father, for his “NOT MOTHER”…

This crayon theology is unintelligible and makes Jesus out to be a spineless looser..

[Steve O @Sacred_Panda_]

@Moderatemuch "What's it to me and to you"

An idiom that means we have no business in common.

[Steve @Moderatemuch]

@Sacred_Panda_ Where in the text does it say: she didn’t understand till later?

One second you say, I’ve gone beyond the text but a sentence later, you are.

Where is Mary in Mark 3:21?

[Steve @Moderatemuch]

@Sacred_Panda_ @Bridget_Finish Let me olive branch this:

You can say: not everything in scripture is relevant to everything else, or to all subjects of theology,

Sure totally agreeable.

However for this topic, it is irrefutably relevant to the topic. It’s YOUR exegesis that makes it relevant.

[Steve @Moderatemuch]

If she had no sway, He wouldn’t have done it…

She had absolute faith in her intercession, absolute confidence He would do it, and absolute understanding that his words were not about Cana, they were about Calvary…

She was with him at the beginning, at the incarnation, at the beginning of his ministry, and at Calvary, she is the perfect disciple, according to the gospel writers,

[Steve @Moderatemuch]

@Sacred_Panda_ @Bridget_Finish How is that a caricature it’s what you said…

You said it’s irrelevant…

[Steve @Moderatemuch]

Great point! When Jesus is speaking to the Apostles like John… he is speaking to the whole church.

“Go therefore and make disciples of all nations…” (Matthew 28:19) who is he speaking to? Not me? Of course me…

“I am with you always, to the end of the age.” (Matthew 28:20) is he speaking to me?

“Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven…” (Matthew 18:18) is he speaking to me? NO he is speaking to the Apostles and their successors.

“Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them…” (John 20:23) is he speaking to me? No He is speaking to the church, to the apostles and their successors.

[Steve @Moderatemuch]

Behold your mother
-Jesus

These people don’t READ the Bible.

[JP @JPuncut]

Show me in the Bible where anyone ever called Mary their Mother 😂

[Steve @Moderatemuch]

@Sacred_Panda_ @Bridget_Finish You think it’s irrelevant if Jesus obeyed the request from his Mother after disclosing it wasn’t His hour?

What else in the Bible is irrelevant?

[Steve @Moderatemuch]

So your reading is

1. Mary presents the need: “They have no wine.”
2. Jesus responds with the idiom.
3. Mary immediately tells the servants:

“Do whatever he tells you.” (John 2:5)

4. Jesus performs the miracle.

So Mary wasn’t offended by Jesus, and Jesus wasn’t offended enough to reject her request. But you think there is division between them…

😂😂😂

John’s Gospel is full of references to Jesus’ “hour.”

The “hour” ultimately refers to His Passion, Death, Resurrection, and glorification.

At Cana, Mary appears at the beginning of Jesus’ public ministry. Then she appears again at the Cross:

“Woman, behold your son.” (John 19:26)

The Church Father illustrate John is making a deliberate connection between Cana and Calvary. Mary prompts the first sign before the “hour,” and she stands beneath the Cross when the “hour” finally arrives.

So “What is that to me and to you?” is best understood not as:

“Leave me alone.”

more like:

“The timing and meaning of this belong to the Father’s plan.”

And Mary’s response shows she understands that the answer is ultimately yes.

If there was an opportunity to correct presumption, as you say there must have been how did Jesus miss that?

[Steve @Moderatemuch]

@ChristySimm23 @Rach4Patriarchy

[Steve @Moderatemuch]

@Sacred_Panda_ How are Protestants so unable to read?

What exactly does he say?

[Steve @Moderatemuch]

@Sacred_Panda_ @MJKelleyII Which Gospel is Mary’s Gospel?

[Steve @Moderatemuch]

Typology is not idolatry…. 😂😂😂

Just because Jesus is the new Adam doesn’t make Adam God.

Just because the church is the new Israel doesn’t make the church God.

Just because Mary is the new Ark doesn’t make Mary or the Ark God.

Just because Peter is the new Eliakim
Doesn’t make any of them God.

Just because the twelve apostles are the new TWELVE TRIBES DOESN’T MAKE THEN GOD EITHER.

[Steve @Moderatemuch]

@SpeelingBChamp Everyday!