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@knowerofball05 @ScoringChanges @GWRXAB @gfulkerson35 @DuncanFarms @frankieferrucci @Cubs @Mets Directly from the MLB umpire manual wow!

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@knowerofball05 @ScoringChanges @GWRXAB @gfulkerson35 @DuncanFarms @frankieferrucci @Cubs @Mets Still waiting on that definition of “sliding past” the base then if we’re gonna use this rule

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@ScoringChanges @knowerofball05 @GWRXAB @gfulkerson35 @DuncanFarms @frankieferrucci @Cubs @Mets I wasn’t arguing if he was out or not. I’m arguing your use of that rule as justification for him being out

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@knowerofball05 @GWRXAB @gfulkerson35 @ScoringChanges @DuncanFarms @frankieferrucci @Cubs @Mets What happened in the video? He slid past the base? I thought you said him sliding past the base is irrelevant

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@knowerofball05 @GWRXAB @gfulkerson35 @ScoringChanges @DuncanFarms @frankieferrucci @Cubs @Mets I’m not saying the call is necessarily wrong, I’m saying his justification by using this rule is wrong:

https://t.co/eSddqKuCPS

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This was posted by @gfulkerson35 (beat me to it…I had to score a game tonight so I’m just getting home), but it’s pretty clear in the rules. This is hard for Cubs fans who want PCA to be safe, but this is an easy out call for replay one he comes off the base. It just is.

Again, the big thing for me is… not a caught stealing.

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@knowerofball05 @GWRXAB @gfulkerson35 @ScoringChanges @DuncanFarms @frankieferrucci @Cubs @Mets Ok so the rule MLB Scoring Changes referenced is irrelevant then. Glad we’re on the same page.

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@knowerofball05 @GWRXAB @gfulkerson35 @ScoringChanges @DuncanFarms @frankieferrucci @Cubs @Mets I want to know where in the rule book this “sliding past” definition is. The closest I could find is the imaginary line I posted earlier which clearly states both feet must be past it, not a hand

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@knowerofball05 @GWRXAB @gfulkerson35 @ScoringChanges @DuncanFarms @frankieferrucci @Cubs @Mets I honestly don’t know what is considered sliding past the base, especially if you don’t touch it. At what point are you past it? I don’t see any definitition besides the one I posted earlier

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@knowerofball05 @GWRXAB @gfulkerson35 @ScoringChanges @DuncanFarms @frankieferrucci @Cubs @Mets I’m talking about 5.05 (b) (1). If the intention is to be “if he touches the base then comes off it he’s out” why even include that? Isn’t that always true?
Also, from that same rule, how can someone slide past the base without touching it? How is sliding past the base determined

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@knowerofball05 @GWRXAB @gfulkerson35 @ScoringChanges @DuncanFarms @frankieferrucci @Cubs @Mets Why do they even have this rule then? Aren’t you out every time you touch the base then come off and are tagged? If your interpretation is correct then they should just get rid of this in the rule book. The fact that its in there makes me believe it has a diff interpretation

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@knowerofball05 @GWRXAB @gfulkerson35 @ScoringChanges @DuncanFarms @frankieferrucci @Cubs @Mets lol

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@knowerofball05 @GWRXAB @gfulkerson35 @ScoringChanges @DuncanFarms @frankieferrucci @Cubs @Mets I’m just refuting what MLB Scoring Changes posted as evidence for the ruling on this play. In your hypothetical where he walks halfway back to first he’s still obviously out but not for the rule initially mentioned

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@knowerofball05 @GWRXAB @gfulkerson35 @ScoringChanges @DuncanFarms @frankieferrucci @Cubs @Mets No, but the rule book definition initially posted by MLB Scoring Changes is irrelevant then

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@ScoringChanges @Jeffer3971 @TownBallTuesday @Nyanasaur @Cubs @Mets So you agree he wasn’t past it? Then the rule you posted above from the rule book isn’t relevant because it describes the ruling “if he slides past the base”

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@knowerofball05 @GWRXAB @gfulkerson35 @ScoringChanges @DuncanFarms @frankieferrucci @Cubs @Mets “Clearly not talking about it” so they have a definition for passing a base, but when they reference it in another rule, they aren’t referring to that definition? Potentially, but in no way is that clear

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@knowerofball05 @GWRXAB @gfulkerson35 @ScoringChanges @DuncanFarms @frankieferrucci @Cubs @Mets Page 44: https://t.co/yMg8R46ZqA

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@ScoringChanges @Jeffer3971 @TownBallTuesday @Nyanasaur @Cubs @Mets Show me the rule book definition for being past second base. Then let me know if you still think he was past the base

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@knowerofball05 @GWRXAB @gfulkerson35 @ScoringChanges @DuncanFarms @frankieferrucci @Cubs @Mets Not past the base. Both feet have to be past the middle of the base

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@BillRenaud3 @DEvanAltman 5.05 (b)(1) says “slides past” although I’m not sure if that’s outdated compared to the rule posted above

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@LewickiMike @pinkhippos10 @GWRXAB @ScoringChanges Are you confusing 5.05 and 5.06? 5.05 (b)(1) is explicitly for this situation