Bill Renaud

Supercomputer guy. 🏈/⚾️ rules nerd. Ham radio. Curler. Catholic. Long-suffering @HailState/@Saints fan. Sr. officiating analyst-Thunder & Lightning podcast.

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@gerardinpain @drewbourne23 @ScoringChanges Yep. Another rule comment specifically covers stealing on ball 4 then oversliding. It specifically uses that term & not sliding "past", and by that definition he did overslide.

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@MattyUSMC7380 @metsbatflip1 Yes

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@Beat_It_Jabroni @wizfan01 @FIFAWorldCup I didn't see that one, but there's no "should" about it.

Law 11 is pretty clear: "The hands and arms of all players, including the goalkeepers, are not considered. For the purposes of determining offside, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit."

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@wizardosmosis Originally it was in reference to the pitcher walking off the mound/field.
https://t.co/xduVT1215K

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@Clean_Jack @DEvanAltman Fair, although that ruling doesn't say pass, it says overslide which has its own definition (specifically, his momentum causing him to lose contact with the bag)

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@DeadManOnAStick @GodFaja6891 @FoulTerritoryTV No. First, it's not a dead ball. Second, when the ball is dead, it cannot be made live again until the pitcher has it and is on the mound.

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🚨ODD SCORING ALERT🚨

This is a weird play from tonight's @Cubs at @Mets game, and there is a weird scoring rule with it.

On a 3-2 count with one out, Michael Busch takes ball four, but Pete Crow-Armstrong was off running with the pitch. Despite it being ball four, the catcher threw down. Even though PCA is entitled to second base without penalty due to the walk, he touches the base, and then is off the base when tagged.

Because he touched the base and then left the safety of the base on the slide, he is liable to be put out. This goes down as a 2-6 "out advancing" at second base, and this is NOT a caught stealing.

The reason this is not a caught stealing is because of the walk, it is impossible to be credited with a stolen base of second, because PCA was forced. Since he cannot by rule be credited with a stolen base, he cannot be credited with a caught stealing either.

#Cubs #LGM

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@OzarkKent The rulebook covers that exact play. R1 steals on ball 4, overslides, and is tagged. He's out. (and the rulebook defines "overslide" as his momentum causing him to lose contact with the base).

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@SNewbanks31 @BigBooleans @chelsea_janes I mean in the history of baseball one of them probably did at some point, inevitably followed by thinking (and perhaps vocalizing) "oh sh**!"

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@BenErtl13 @jjhparker @DEvanAltman Another account I follow is an active umpire (I believe in college, but very familiar with MLB interpretations) noted the obstruction would have to be intentional and this wouldn't be deemed that.

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@marycarr5 @grantmcauley R1 stealing on ball 4, touching 2nd, oversliding, and getting tagged is specifically addressed in the rulebook. There's nothing for the umpires to interpret.

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@jakbland Yes, but once you touch the next base you've made your advance without liability to be put out, and if you subsequently lose contact you can be tagged out. Ball 4 is not a dead ball.

There's even a case in the rulebook about a steal on ball 4 leading to an overslide.

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@Mehlucky8813 @MLB From the Official Baseball Rules

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@snapssss2 @drunkharrycarey @DEvanAltman I have good news:

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@drunkharrycarey @DEvanAltman The rulebook specifically covers a runner attempting a steal on ball 4 and oversliding. Not simply inadvertently leaving the bag.

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@M9669G @arbtim It's already addressed in the rulebook.

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The number of people on this site that think ball 4 is a dead ball is absolutely staggering.

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@ceejhg66 He is. And once he overslides he can be tagged out.

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@GodFaja6891 @WayneLashua @amilli11616 @iamcogs Ball 4 is not a dead ball. Also, the rulebook covers the case of R1 stealing on ball 4 and oversliding.

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@bcase5 It's so corrupt, they preemptively put something in the rulebook to cover themselves...