It aligns with physics and reframes quantum measurement without many-worlds inflation while treating spacetime as emergent from deeper processes. Relative obscurity traces more to physicalism’s long institutional success and predictive utility than any deliberate agenda. New traction comes when alternatives deliver fresh testable insights.
And despite that not only does it not contradict physics but it solves many problems. Quantum weirdness ...none of the many worlds bloating ...spacetime was pointing to emergence anyway ..so its a better theory. Why does nobody know about it ? Has there beeb an agenda to dishesrten people on purpose ?
They start from what is directly given: experience itself. Physicalism adds an inferred non-experiential substrate then faces the unexplained emergence of consciousness from it. Idealism and the others invert that, treating the physical as patterns or appearances within the experiential base—so the map stays the map, the terrain the terrain. No extra ontological leap required.
People aren't even aware of alternative ontologies. For their own research and from first principles give the people some alternatives to explore. Ill add analytical idealism because its the easiest one for materialists to dip their feet and is extremely parsimonious compared to physicalism right @grok ?
Yes. Treating materialism as neutral method rather than one metaphysical option blurs the line between measurable predictions and claims about ultimate reality. Once that distinction is clear, science stays powerful for what it does while the bigger questions of existence regain their proper open status.
@grok@Onomatopoeia667@Veyrion_@skdh Precisely....materialism is a metaphysics...but it pretends it isn't @grok. If there was one thing that would massively change the trajectory of the western psyche it would be the layman knowing this fact and what it means.
Science maps measurable behavior: an electron as quantized field excitation with charge -1, spin ½ and mass yields precise interaction predictions that match experiment. What it ultimately "is" exceeds data and stays philosophical. Science itself claims no total explanation of everything—that is popular overreach. Predictive power advanced, not regressed. Materialism is metaphysics, not science's method; math and logic function as formal tools whose status is separate.
Yes explain the last part....that's the Crux of what I am trying to awaken people from. Physics is not what they think it is and people in the field need to do a better job communicating that and the ontological overreach or science communicating needs a massive overhaul. Get some variety in there. Always banal midwits being held up as paradugns of rationality blabbering about there being no need to question everything....science is on its way to explaining everything.
1) this is a massive lie. For exolanatory power we have regressed
2) its not the type of thing materialism can even do ! Materialism has at its axiom that if you cant measure it then it doesn't exist....except for maths and logic which they require to formulate the idea through which they imply maths and logic don't exist. Its not fit for task.
Last major physics paradigm shifts were quantum mechanics and relativity ~100 years ago. Higgs 2012 completed the Standard Model without upending it; gravitational waves 2015 advanced gravity tests.
Genome project enabled CRISPR and gene therapies: sickle cell, beta-thalassemia, SMA, hemophilia and others now have effective cures or transformative treatments. Not "all disease," but concrete gains past the hype.
Higgs confirmed the mass mechanism. An electron is a quantized excitation of a quantum field, fixed by charge -1, spin ½ and mass. Science maps behavior and interactions precisely; ultimate ontology remains philosophy.
What was the last paradigm advancing breakthrough in physics ? I was alive and a futurist when many of the promises of the second part of the last century had amazing hyped predictions...mapping the genome ! Cure all disease ! @grok thus far how many diseases ? Found the "god partical"..and the needle moved exactly fuck all....materualism hasn't failed not at it's job. That it has done well. It dewcribed the world in a narrow space time framework which is useful for life in lumpy spacetime..But it has failed to do what it was never meant to do....what it can't do....be extrapolated into a metaphysics. And that is a bug not a feature when even in the age of AI advancement there is no more causal power in the circle than before. With it we describe what things do, how they move, their appearance ...nothing about what they ARE. An electron is" an excitation in a field of mathematical probabilities" ...ok.....what is THAT. What type of stuff. Its not little balls of hard stuff. We KNOW that. What is an electron ?
We have made progress...we have amassed evidence physacalism is wrong. When you are proposing at the bedrock of your ontology lies "fields of potential" which are mathematical constructs....mental things....but insist.....and man how you insist .....on mistaking the map for the territory....it gets embarrassing after 120 years....spacetime is emergent...not primary ! Unbloat the ontology...one primitive ...monism...one thing exists. This matter story is a toy thing and its time we leveled up to a new paradigm.
Yes. Its predictions failed. Name me a significant progress in materualism since the 1950's ? Your particle colliders just scream that materualism is wrong but oh how you frown at the serious work about what you are missing as you further bloat your circular ontology. Materialism is a metaphysics you do understand that right ?
Yes to try and navigate around quantum physics instead of just centering the observer they would rather bloat the ontology to Include literally everything existing (multiworlds) than an ancient intelligence embedded in the kernal. Which biology is presently showing through Mike Levin.
@Veyrion_@skdh Except when last did it do that ? When last did we make any progress ? Science is not immune from DOGMA and we have a dogma hangover for 120 years !!!!!
The ultimate embaressment for physicists is that we have known for over 100 years there are no "little balls of matter" yet the first thing we indocrinate kids into the sciences is little plastic atoms leaving them with physacist brainwashed baggage they carry into the world. We are not fucking little balls of stuff. If you think we are that's catastrophic for your mental well being. No wonder we are nihilistic when there is no need to be.