Etansun

Christian Husband and Father. I talk about the Christian Faith, politics and occasionally sports.

[Etansun @Etan_sun]

@cConsontia @redeemed_zoomer That's not what I'm saying and not what Paul is saying. You seem to be purposely misrepresenting my points at this point.

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@cConsontia @redeemed_zoomer It's a good thing that, for the 10th time, I don't think it's the only thing that can. But scripture says it's all that is needed.

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Yes, absolutely you are misrepresenting this. It's absolutely insane to believe that every word spoken by the Apostles ended up in scripture. What ended up in scripture was EVERYTHING required to complete and perfect the man of God and prepare him for every good work. There is nothing missing for that purpose or else God is a liar.

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This conversation actually started about how Catholics treat the Catholic Church as the foundation of their faith. Maybe that comes from a misunderstanding of what the rock that Christ built the church on is.

The rock that my faith is build on is the revelation of who the man Christ Jesus is, just like he commanded his Church and the earliest church fathers believed. That cannot be shaken.

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@cConsontia @redeemed_zoomer You can't prove it was preserved and didn't just spring up in the mind of a random member of the Roman Catholic Church centuries later.

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@cConsontia @redeemed_zoomer Lying doesn't become you. I have at no point said that everything the Apostles preached in the 1st century ended up in scripture. I have corrected you on this point repeatedly, at this point it is purposeful lying.

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@cConsontia @redeemed_zoomer I'm not bound to believe nothing or believe everything. That's a you problem.

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@cConsontia @redeemed_zoomer You also can't prove that it was preached orally, it's just "trust the Roman Catholic Church Bro"

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Except the teachings about who Peter is and who the Church is built on, those "Sacred Traditions" were lost for nearly 150+ years but suddenly sprung up again. It's amazing how many of the "Sacred Traditions" and "Oral Teachings" just come up out of nowhere after a lot of time has passed. This is only 1 example of so many.

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@realshakemup @AndrewKolvet @RealCandaceO @MarkHalperin There's nothing serious about these questions. Christ routinely offended the Pharisees, insulted and even mocked them. If you keep reading you might hate about what he did to the money changers...

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@cConsontia @redeemed_zoomer I don't reject everything that the early church fathers wrote, there is lots of good stuff there but I'm not going to pretend that what they wrote is the inspired Word of God. They were fallable men, same as the Catholic Church and every Pope that's ever lived.

[Etansun @Etan_sun]

It's not arbitrary at all, it's only arbitrary if you're dismissing it because it doesn't fit your forced view. It's funny that Catholics constantly point out church fathers writings like they are gospel, the Word of God itself... Unless they dont think it proves their view and then it's not important and arbitrary.

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@cConsontia @redeemed_zoomer Perhaps, but we'll never know because they never mentioned what has become one of the foundations of the Catholic Church. Despite the fact that they wrote with regularity.

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Many of them wrote the opposite, the Protestant position on both that verse and Peter's position. It's not just a position of silence. They also have a long history of writing what they were orally taught, correct? The entire church itself was birthed from this verse through Peter but the successors themselves didn't mention it and wrote in opposition of it?

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@cConsontia @redeemed_zoomer So none of the people that directly learned under the apostles thought that was important enough to pass down but we're definitely taught that by the apostles?

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Christianity is the largest religion in the world. The Bible has been preserved in its perfection. The gates of hell has not prevailed despite the fallible and mistake ridden past of the Catholic Church.

The first and most or all of the 2nd century church fathers did not believe Peter was the rock the church was built on or that he was called to be the first bishop of a world wide church. That was invented later on, in the 3rd century.

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@cConsontia @redeemed_zoomer I said first century. These are 3rd century.

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That universal church is still going strong. I believe as the early church fathers that the church was built upon the revelation that the Father gave to Peter. The gates of hell have not prevailed against it as evidence that it's still going strong today, the body of believers worldwide.

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2 Timothy 3:16-17 (ESV): "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work."

Scripture makes the man of God complete, except in where scripture is insufficient and for that he must get from the roman catholic church. Scripture equips the man of God for every good work, except the ones that scripture is insufficient for and he must get from the roman catholic church.

Jude 1:3 (ESV): "Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints."

Once for all delivered to the saints, except what the roman catholic church decides later was not enough and decides to add to it.

Hebrews 1:1-2 (ESV): "Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world."

In these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, and a bunch of random guys later on who want to add to scripture from the roman catholic church.

Galatians 1:8-9 (ESV): "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed."

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed unless he's a member of the leadership of the roman catholic church way later on.

[Etansun @Etan_sun]

Which first century church father stated that the scriptures about the rock that the church is built upon is Peter? Which first century church father stated that Peter was the first head of a world wide church authority?

Peter is special, the revelation that the Father gives him is the revelation that the entire Christian faith is built upon. Jesus changed his name, that only happens a few times in scripture. Just was apart of the leadership team of the first church.

You absolutely created Peter's primacy, not even the disciples of the apostles believed either of these things.