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Retired T50 Apex predator, brainless valk ape and the best charge rifle on console. I'll zap you with the power of the sun. I'm now washed and play MMOs.

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@still_fnctional @hoppafar @ShitpostRock @VinceDefash It doesnt matter.

It disgusts other people.

If you think your disgust, aka your subjective view matters, you must give equal weight to the subjective view of other people. Unless again, you think youre morally superior to everyone else.

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@still_fnctional @bcs_enjoyer_ @down_top322 @hoppafar @ShitpostRock @VinceDefash And that's the problem.

When morals are viewed as subjective, what ends up mattering is only harm/benefit.

Decorum and social grace, virtue, public decency and self respect, none of them matter anymore. It leads to social decay. Just look at the modern dating scene.

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@still_fnctional @hoppafar @ShitpostRock @VinceDefash But why does your disgust matter when it comes to the examples in this thread, if my disgust doesn't matter when it comes to dog mask nudist furries? Either all disgust matters or no disgust matters. Unless you think yourself a moral authority over other people.

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@01_Crimson_01 @ShitpostRock I die of natural causes

My body is provided to a cannibal

He rips open my skull and eats my brain.

This was in accordance with my wishes, I never even met the cannibal and I died of natural causes.

Why is this amoral? Or is it ethical in your opinion?

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@01_Crimson_01 @ShitpostRock Focusing on the example is a famously bad faith argument style. You fully understand my intention but refuse to engage with it, because the resulting answer isnt kind to your argument.

Let's try this, I write in my will "Please provide my body to a cannibal."

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@still_fnctional @hoppafar @ShitpostRock @VinceDefash When you detach from religion and ask, from a purely logical "deconstructed" position, why disgusting things are amoral, you really can't produce answers. And because of that, degenerates get a pass for their bullshit. That's how you end up with nudist dog masks at pride parades

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@still_fnctional @hoppafar @ShitpostRock @VinceDefash So are a number of kinks like piss/diapers, gender transitions where middle aged bearded guys wear dresses, the dog mask furries etc etc. Your personal disgust is not relevant to post-modern "social construct" morality. Religious codes align with your disgust, but—

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@01_Crimson_01 @ShitpostRock Im asking you a simple question, is cannibalism WITHOUT murder or encouragement of any kind, unethical? And if so then why? From an empirical standpoint, with only secular logic, no religion or emotion, there is no moral issue with this scenario. Dead bodies would just be meat.

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@01_Crimson_01 @ShitpostRock Its not horribly contrived, this exact thing took place in Japan where suicidal people met with a cannibal. They killed themselves and he butchered the bodies. In this hypothetical there is no encouragement happening. You're adding stuff in order to create a negative moral frame

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@01_Crimson_01 @ShitpostRock Why is euthanasia unethical when it doesn't harm anyone other than the subject? And when your life is your own to manage, live and ultimately end if you wish? This is a perfect encapsulation of the debate. The arguments against suicide are quasi religious.

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@BedinSandro @ultras_antifaa More people = housing shortage, not hard to understand

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@down_top322 @01_Crimson_01 @ShitpostRock Im not religious, but religion serves a purpose for the masses, of codeifying good morals and enforcing them on a population. That objective moral framework is very helpful to the average normie, and without it, you end up with Tindr

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@down_top322 @GildedPardus @hoppafar @ShitpostRock @VinceDefash And humanity is good? You should google Herxheim Germany 😂

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@01_Crimson_01 @ShitpostRock Okay sure, for the sake of discussion I'll agree with you about crack.

But what about say... if a cannibal makes a deal with a suicidal person. The suicidal person kills themself and the cannibal butchers them, stores them in a freezer and eats them over 6 months?

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@hoppafar @ShitpostRock @VinceDefash By divorcing morals from religion we have removed all their power, so nobody respects them anymore. Symbolism matters.

I understand and agree with evolutionary psychology and the purpose morals serve, for survival. Totally with you there.

But morals need symbolic power

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@hoppafar @ShitpostRock @VinceDefash We replaced venerated, unquestionable rules with the term social construct.

Social constructs are just opinions.

Opinions can be questioned and disagreed with.

But ten commandments are pretty straightforward, can't argue with mythic stone tablets.

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@GildedPardus @hoppafar @ShitpostRock @VinceDefash But yeah I don't like subjective morality because MANY heinous things can be justified with "it's just a social construct maaaaan."

We're seeing it all across the west as our nations degrade, and meanwhile China keeps on chugging.

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@GildedPardus @hoppafar @ShitpostRock @VinceDefash There are core tenants that remain consistent over time, and changes tend to be small & require great deliberation.

Not perfect, but people are stupid, and religious texts are essentially "how to be a decent person for dummies"

Without that we end up with San Francisco

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@01_Crimson_01 @ShitpostRock Im not discussing theft or abuse, simply the act of smoking crack in a vacuum. There are plenty of functional addicts who do just that.

Also, since when have the subjective moral crowd (rainbow crowd and libs) ever condemned obesity? Its the trad conservative hating it.