@NycVipers Don't engage with this. Just one of a million accounts on here trying to rage bait people with the Jordan/Bron debate. This guy doesn't believe Bron is better, he's just trying to grow his account. Feel sorry for him and move on.
@gillingh3@HistoryBoomer The stat isn't irrelevant. Wanye argues that some progressive something has won something, which is something that he can't quantify, and no one can cause he just wrote it out of his ass. The actual cited high incarcerated population shows progressive views haven't won in reality
@HistoryBoomer I don't think wanye and his ilk should be taken at their word. They're algorithm and engagement hunters, and everything they say should be viewed through that lense. Create an imaginary world, and try to force people to argue on terms that exist only there. The maga blueprint.
@xwanyex All this revisiting suffrage nonsense is just to get attention from the algorithm. Even contemplating the idea that universal suffrage should be revisited requires the precursor idea that maybe people shouldn't have equal rights. Do you really believe that? I doubt it.
@xwanyex So...because women don't agree with my politics, they "maybe" shouldn't be allowed to vote? Is that argument here? Or is the argument because you see a gender divide in politics, women "maybe" shouldn't be allowed to vote. The algorithm probably loves it though.
@ASFleischman@HistoryBoomer She's been associated with a "side," and everyone's brain has been hardwired to react in the most extreme way to get tribe cred. It's like throwing the opposing team's home run back on the field. Maybe you'd like to keep it, or give it to a nephew, but you gotta go all the way.
@beast58934@courtsideqk Russel went 5-0 against West and Baylor, and 2-0 against West, Baylor and Wilt. I understand that's not the modern era, but that's a serious concentration of talent to win against. Can Jordan/Pippen/Rodman beat the Showtime Lakers? I don't know.
@beast58934@courtsideqk I agree, and I'm not a Jordan GOAT guy. He's in the conversation, but not like Brady is in football where there's no argument for others. Russell, Kareem, Jordan, Magic, and Shaq (if you use your imagination, lol) all have an argument.
@ScottKacsmar Fair enough, I'm also not a Jordan guy, he's in the GOAT debate, but just in it. Who would come out on top between the Jordan/Pippen/Rodman Bulls and the Showtime Lakers, or the Shaq/Kobe Lakers, or the Duncan Spurs. I don't know, and neither does Jordan.
@BTFUorSTFU@Krosh_00@td_nash@HawkEmDownChris Pippen was amazing, Rodman was huge, still 6-0, and not sure Jordan's more than in the GOAT debate. Russell was 11-1, Kareem was 6-4, and Magic at 5-4, and Shaq at 4-2 are honorable mentions. What if Shaq had just stayed in shape for 2 to 3 more years.
@beast58934@courtsideqk I'm not sure where your stats are coming from. Are you looking at finals wins for total years played? By that metric, Lebron is 4-23 in the Finals, but he's obviously much better than that in real stats. He's like a Brady who didn't quite Brady, but almost did.
@beast58934@courtsideqk That's exactly what I'm saying. Brady at 7-3 is not the same as Brady at 3-7. And Lebron's competition is more than just Jordan. Russell, 11-1, Kareem, 6-4, Jordan, 6-0, Duncan, 5-1, Kobe, 5-2, Magic, 5-4. Lebron's Finals record is bad compared to peers with similar volume.
@ScottKacsmar I mean, 20 of 79 (I can use AI too) is 25%, which is significant, 1 in 4. But you're right, only 6 game 7s since 1990, not that many in the last 35 years, including all of the Jordan era. Maybe clutch isn't the issue. You don't have to be clutch when you're better.
@beast58934@courtsideqk I'm not sure what you're referring to by first and second round losses, is that Lebron the last 3 or 4 years or someone else? My point is only that Lebron's Finals stats are...just bad. That's why Clutch has to market so much, cause the numbers aren't there.
@BTFUorSTFU@Krosh_00@td_nash@HawkEmDownChris Who has a guy who's 4-6 in the Finals and 22-33 in Finals games (hey, you see that's 11 games UNDER .500) as the GOAT. Those stats eliminate you as the GOAT. You can't lose that often when it matters most. Not sure Bron is top 10 all time.