Here is another amazing new idea for you: read Minds Make Societies by Pascal Boyer, and find out about Dan Kahan’s work on identity protective cognition.
Believing in socialism and hating capitalism is not an intellectual choice. It’s an identity. That’s why they ignore facts they don’t like - subconsciously. That’s why they look at you with that face.
Dan Kahan’s work on identity-protective cognition explains why facts so often fail to persuade. It’s a form of motivated reasoning that operates largely subconsciously: people selectively accept or reject evidence to protect their standing in affinity groups that share core values and commitments, usually without realizing they’re doing it.
When a factual question becomes a marker of group loyalty (climate change, gun control, pandemic measures, etc.), individuals face social and psychic costs for concluding the “wrong” way. So the mind quietly adjusts the weight given to evidence—in-group experts are trusted, out-group experts are scrutinized or dismissed, and ambiguous data is interpreted in the group-congenial direction—all without conscious intent.
A striking finding from Kahan’s studies is that higher scientific literacy and numeracy don’t reduce polarization on these issues—they often increase it. The most cognitively proficient people are simply better at constructing sophisticated justifications for the position that predominates in their group. The goal isn’t pure accuracy; it’s avoiding the costs of being out of step with one’s people.
Because the process is largely automatic and outside awareness, people experience their conclusions as straightforwardly factual rather than identity-driven. Understanding this helps explain persistent public divides even when the underlying evidence is relatively clear.
@botzarelli@EC2man No it isn’t. The US has not invaded Canada, nor will they. Russia has occupied big bits of Ukraina, in the face of a treaty specifically saying they wouldn’t, since 2014.
@BriggsonBeer@ossettbrewery I know, mine are pretty fixed. I have to wait for fashion to change again. In the meanwhile I am lucky if a pub has one pump I like.
The reason for all that is their decision to believe in socialism is not one of intellect, but identity. As explained by Dan Kahan and Pascal Boyer:
Dan Kahan’s work on identity-protective cognition explains why facts so often fail to persuade. It’s a form of motivated reasoning that operates largely subconsciously: people selectively accept or reject evidence to protect their standing in affinity groups that share core values and commitments, usually without realizing they’re doing it.
When a factual question becomes a marker of group loyalty (climate change, gun control, pandemic measures, etc.), individuals face social and psychic costs for concluding the “wrong” way. So the mind quietly adjusts the weight given to evidence—in-group experts are trusted, out-group experts are scrutinized or dismissed, and ambiguous data is interpreted in the group-congenial direction—all without conscious intent.
A striking finding from Kahan’s studies is that higher scientific literacy and numeracy don’t reduce polarization on these issues—they often increase it. The most cognitively proficient people are simply better at constructing sophisticated justifications for the position that predominates in their group. The goal isn’t pure accuracy; it’s avoiding the costs of being out of step with one’s people.
Because the process is largely automatic and outside awareness, people experience their conclusions as straightforwardly factual rather than identity-driven. Understanding this helps explain persistent public divides even when the underlying evidence is relatively clear.
@ImtiazMadmood I’d be happy for them to be deported immediately and their home country decide how to deal with them. They should also be barred from entering UK again via DNA data.