@Theredheadbro1@prncecarrington But of course, people would bring up St.Athanasius and the Arian crisis at this point. Not sure what you’d think, it’s a bit tiresome for me.
@Theredheadbro1@prncecarrington Good counterpoint… But the Latin and Greek Church are much more significant when you look at the number of bishops and dioceses, a almost complete lack of either patrimony on either side would be crippling to their case.
The Miaphysites have neither so they have no excuse.
@Osarseph0@JMJCircello It would be too scandalous to insist on this. The Catholic Church indeed has the mark of sanctity, evident in the lives and spiritual writings of her saints.
I guess the Hierarchy is a bit like temple priests, while the rare saints are prophets of their own times.
@Osarseph0@JMJCircello One of my friends raised a similar point(he’s lapsed apostate now) I hesitated to agree.
Old Israel was indeed referred to as the ‘unfaithful woman’ who deserves to be put away for her sins… But in light of Christ’s promise to the Church, her catholicity and sanctity
@Theredheadbro1@prncecarrington I mean it would make the historical claim of EOs much stronger. Otherwise… eventually none of the original Latin bishops persevered in the fullness of faith, unity and charity after 1054, from your pov.
It’s too much of a blackpill and is enough to get people thinking
@Theredheadbro1@prncecarrington Still matters that a church needs at least 1 bishop who was ordained in the Latin rite, whose diocese dates back to before 1054 and the subsequent schism to even have a claim to being universal/Catholic.
EOs aren’t even trying at this point, except for perhaps the Antiocheans
@Theredheadbro1@prncecarrington A Catholic Church does, and indeed should have both Eastern and Western rite bishops, if she claims to be the Church undivided. But you don’t, that says something.
I always thought this is a rather fatal blow to the pretensions of schismatics. They’re simply no longer universal.
@Theredheadbro1@prncecarrington So, a Catholic bishop will be by your definition, ‘outside the church’.
Would you still treat him as having lower authority than an EO layman?